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ncaries
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject:

My fellow NS members have told our story.

There are three scenario's:

J1. Janest and RickT's attack are just coincidence. Well, nothing wrong. End of the story, lets look forward and have fun playing ST.
Against this scenario is the timing of the attack, the target of the attack and very well suited fleets they send

2.Janest and RickyT are accounts of people related to TO but these guys are not a member (at that time).
I that case TO just uses the opportunities the rules ST offers: its not forbidden at all. End of the stoty, lets look forward and have fun playing ST. against this scenario is that the number of TO members was 9 all the time, and that the account were ended right after, but that doesnt exclude the possibility of course, it makes it less likely, just as the complete denial of TO does..

3. Janet and RickyT are accounts created and used by active TO members. In that case there is somethn seriously wrong.

NS has (and i hope TO finds they have) interest i clearing this thing up. Nobody can deny its a strage situation that has a negative effect on the game if thinks dont get clear.
ST has a procedure for suspected multi-situations, and i like to report, i only dont know who the suspected multi's are. I'convinced many TO members are strongly against these practices and i dont want to report them. But because i cannot make a selection of TO members i'm asking TO if they agree i report them all for investigation.

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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject:

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The "Fly and Die" method of sending your ships in for certain death then making a new account is not cheating if it doesn't benefit him whatsoever

wrong! he admitted that he loged in to the old account after making the new one, he used both accounts to attack the flag holder.. that is called advantage, multi, and cheating!

you say your self you don't much doubt thay share accounts but yet you say they don't cheat.. read on and you'll see how kame shared accounts

I agree with you, evidence has time and again fallen short of convicting them, but if anything the occourance alone should say something! the problem is not with evidence, it is the fact that no one watches over this game to catch them.. game is infested with multi accounts, why should TO be treated diffrent than Money or the firm?

I assure you Rob is the biggest multi ever known to ST, so don't say he doesn't multi!

Shade was caught and convicted of multing before.

I say things based on facts, I say things based on history and I got 7 years of them and you got 2

I admit, I have cheated, I have played dirty and I have multied! I have often used methods that are less that right.. we are not judging me here

I KNOW FOR A FACE TO CHEATS AND MULTI's .. don't believe me, check the forums, check the history and see for your self.. you will come to the same conclusion soon enough

there is no doubt that shade and the rest of the bunch are good players, just as there is no doubt they will play every dirty trick in the book to keep up there name.. I know them well enough to assure of that so if you want to go defending them when you don't know better, that is your decision. they are still dirty as shit!

now for a fact I can tell you that DK has done nothing wrong and is oblivious to the actions of others in his alliance.

For a fact I can tell you ROB and KAME have had a multi account before Kame went inavtive

for a fact I can tell you shade, wiz and connor are sharing accounts

and for a fact I can tell you a member or two are making new accounts and attacking you with start ups with shade's blessing (most probably himself)

this is not my judgment day.. you can search for mine in the forums. but do search for the history of TO and you will see it is not the first time they have been accused.

they keep getting away with it because there is no admin or multi investigation in this game.. nobody is there to protect you guys from the likes of shade.

you can send multi investigation reports until dead man comes, no admin will respond to you.

remember Shade accused me of hacking his account? well I really wanted to show him for the lie he is, so i asked admin to the an ip check. sadly Admin did the ip chack of the wrong account but here is the result anyway

admin wrote:

i have no clue, the only thing i can help is, the last ips used in Shadey of Capetonier's account were:
80.254.90.240,80.254.89.50,80.254.89.120,193.188.46.64,92.251.85.88

greetings,
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Mighty wrote:

Hello,

Could you please check into Shade's account (please note the ingame Shadey of Capetonier is probably not shade, so you have to ask him for his in game.)

he alleges that he has been hacked and to clear the matter we will need your assistance. please let us know if he was indeed hacked and if so by who.

considering the fact that he has pointed his finger at me, making me a suspect, I will provide you with my ip address to make your job easier

My Ip Address is 99.240.225.251

we are waiting for your clarification

thank you

Mighty

do you notice the ips starting with 193 and the other one with 92.. that is 2 diffrent countries than the ones starting with 80..

what does that prove? 3 people have logged in to that account.. thats kame's by the way
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject:

Noxus wrote:

TO is not cheating

So who is?

And unfortunately, we can't report those two accounts as multis... because they don't exist anymore.

Now, Noxus, I agree with you that TO doesn't need to cheat. And they're probably all individual players. But the thing is, nothing you said actually applies to this.

This isn't two new accounts made under the TO alliance doing the "fly and die." These are two new accounts, one under TF and one under no alliance (flying with the WFS tag even) that hit us with what we couldn't fight against: a huge swank, and followed by an eagle spam.

Now, the thing is, it's quite obvious we can't fight against a swank. Three of our members are mycilloid and aren't able to build evaporators, it's such a glaring weakness. Yet, when TO hit us, they didn't bring a swank of any kind.

And just so you know. This CANNOT be a random attack. The incomings happened very shortly after the flag switched over, and before I had even reached the flag location.
Nobody else outside of our alliance and allies knows where to find the flag OTHER than TO.

Please. If there's a plausible explanation for this, I'd like to hear it.

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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject:

lambada wrote:

Vader wrote:

lambada wrote:

Twilight Force
13.05 12:33 - battle against United space army
13.05 11:51 - battle against no alliance
13.05 05:34 - battle against Warriors of the Fallen Star and NoStars
13.05 02:22 - battle against Total Ownage <---- i attacked not TO
12.05 15:48 - battle against The Order of Chaos

13.05 02:22 <------- see here at my base

your base fights against fleet 2 from Lofunefano of Undlacry at xxx/xxx/xx
13.05 01:11:24 - the enemy fleet arrived

that was an attacker from TF

13.05 02:22
your fleet 3 fights against the base from Little Vader of Hooth at xxx/xxx/xx (edit by me - just for the rules i know)

13.05 01:11:31 - your fleet arrived

so u attacked TO... and don´t tell me i am not TO
btw: don´t put coords into the forum

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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject:

Let me list the advantages of respawning:

1. One starter fleet (nothing real great (okay swank and eagel are good) but with some changes you can make out all start fleets with standard ships a real good fleet.

2. Intelligence

Every time you respawn you get a present if the acc stays longer then a few hrs two. The probes and coords.... in one hour you can create more then 10 accs that makes 10 investigation probes... sure you start random but you get the coords. - > and no one can tell me that they don’t look at their com screen and save the coords.

3. "Protection time"

So long a player is in his "protection time" no one gets a incoming if a fleet fly directly to the enemy. No incomings no Hyperdrops… nothing....

Maybe more but at the moment nothing come in my mind….

So I would say it’s not against the rules… but it’s real bad to use it, because that have nothing to do with the game or skills anymore …

And that TO use it means only that they see in that the only way to get it their flag back…

Ns be proud you bring TO to total desperation ….

Ah yes before I forget it, this is really a good example maybe I try it the same way… 2-4 cold beers 1 hr and 20 eagles fleets a real great party in Spacetrace….

BM if you read this i like now your plan with the multies

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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject:

Species 8472 wrote:

Hey

I am new here.

It seems that everybody hates the TO guys!

why is that?

just wait till thay have a few parties at your base and you'll see why.

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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject:

Just come and visit me.
449/493/23

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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject:

no coords in the forum u know that rob. btw to doesnt bash noobs the only reason we hate them is because were either jealous or have some age old vendeeta but cant quite remember what it was anymore
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject:

Species 8472 wrote:

Hey

I am new here.

It seems that everybody hates the TO guys!

why is that?

Well, as Durago said, you could wait until they hit your base, but that may take a while.

Basically, TO has a lot of enemies because they are made up of 'many good players'.. or vets for short. These vets have a lot of experience and have a lot of history too. So much so, that they are almost unbeatable whenever they come on the scene. Therefore people try to win against them (naturally, as TO would take the top spot). Sometimes they succeed, and sometimes they don't.

Whatever happens, there is usually a discussion on the forums and you can garuntee that some bickering is going to happen

. TO and the other alliances fall out with each other, but they (usually) make friends after the whole comotion is over

.

There are many other reasons too, but I'm afraid a neutral like me cannot explain those (firstly because I don't know these reasons that well), and seocndly because I would probably upset at least one of the sides in the process.

Oh yeah and.. TO 'bash' noobs too. Well, they did. That's why they stopped. I don't know if there doing it now but, as Durago said, you'll find out soon enough

.

Everybody on the forum is either:

Anti-TO
TO Member

or.. in some rare cases (like me), neutral

. Take your pick.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject:

Robert Roy wrote:

Just come and visit me.
449/493/23

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i take that for a 'yes'

thanks
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject:

I don't mind report me as a multi and let Admin check me out , so there will be prove of my inocense , I bet all -TO- members don't mind if you do so .
@ Mighty get back in your tree , I orderd you to hang in . for the rest you are ignored

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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject:

done, hope someone's there

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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:01 am Post subject:

Mighty wrote:

Quote:

The "Fly and Die" method of sending your ships in for certain death then making a new account is not cheating if it doesn't benefit him whatsoever

wrong! he admitted that he loged in to the old account after making the new one, he used both accounts to attack the flag holder.. that is called advantage, multi, and cheating!

if only you could read.

The Butcher wrote:

My old account was on its final run, attacking fleets it could never survive, before I opened up my new account.

After opening a new account, I never changed my fleet directions, or even logged on to make my fleets attack in the order I wanted them to. I logged back in to review the battle reports, and thats all.

My new account was opened so I could rejoin the alliance and get alliance round messages again. Achilles fleet did not leave my planet until the day after Butcher's fleets were destroyed. I did not use any information from my old account to benefit my new account whatsoever.

id say thats no advantage other than knowing what was in the defending fleet. but then again he only made the new one to recieve round messages. There was not intention of cheating hence, he didnt.

Mighty wrote:

you say your self you don't much doubt thay share accounts but yet you say they don't cheat.. read on and you'll see how kame shared accounts

I agree with you, evidence has time and again fallen short of convicting them, but if anything the occourance alone should say something! the problem is not with evidence, it is the fact that no one watches over this game to catch them.. game is infested with multi accounts, why should TO be treated diffrent than Money or the firm?

I assure you Rob is the biggest multi ever known to ST, so don't say he doesn't multi!

i said i wouldn't have doubted if they had shared accounts before. The occurance of these accusations is only because of fustration. After not having -TO- to put us in our place for 3-5 months, then they come back and make us look like fools, we tend to turn blame on someone. You can't compare -TO- with Money or the firm. those alliance's are multies (maybe or maybe not), but they have little or no room to progress because its one person alone. -TO- has many people and progress and think and share ideas and expand and get better. Im sure of it that Rob has not been multing this round. I've been monitoring his base since he spawned. He's only 5 or so hours away and i gave him a big portion of his points when i was inactive. thats was about 5-7k.

Mighty wrote:

Shade was caught and convicted of multing before.

so what, you were too.

Mighty wrote:

I say things based on facts, I say things based on history and I got 7 years of them and you got 2

just to bad spacetrace is just over 5 years old.

Mighty wrote:

I admit, I have cheated, I have played dirty and I have multied! I have often used methods that are less that right.. we are not judging me here

well i'll be dam.ned.

Mighty wrote:

I KNOW FOR A FACE TO *** AND MULTI's .. don't believe me, check the forums, check the history and see for your self.. you will come to the same conclusion soon enough

i've been reading all your 6000 word posts against -TO- each and every war.... its the same bullshit over and over again.

Mighty wrote:

there is no doubt that shade and the rest of the bunch are good players, just as there is no doubt they will play every dirty trick in the book to keep up there name.. I know them well enough to assure of that so if you want to go defending them when you don't know better, that is your decision. they are still dirty as ***!

i will not disagree all the way on this one. There are tricks out there... they aren't so much dirty, but these tricks are just shortcuts around the game that anyone can use.

Mighty wrote:

now for a fact I can tell you that DK has done nothing wrong and is oblivious to the actions of others in his alliance.

Mighty wrote:

For a fact I can tell you ROB and KAME have had a multi account before Kame went inavtive

for a fact I can tell you shade, wiz and connor are sharing accounts

Proof? well let me tell you a story that should make you shut up. Rob and Kame are not multy or sharing. the first week of the -TO- war i was on MSN and under the name of Chris, which is my real first name. I notice Rob and kamie coming dangerously close to my base and preparing to attack. rob was online and kamie was off for 5h. so i messaged Rob via MSN and said to attack already. he replied back he was waiting for kamie to get on. and he said he need his spectre for The Blessing of Death's (me) c1. I messaged back, do you know who i am? replied back Chris (as in Shade). I said no, im the chris your about to attack. he said brb but he never came back. so kame got on 2 hours later attacked and rob also attacked but they both lost 1.7k total but unlucky Kame spectre. Rob was sincerely surprise/embarassed for giving out information to the enemy. anyways....

Mighty wrote:

and for a fact I can tell you a member or two are making new accounts and attacking you with start ups with shade's blessing (most probably himself)

i can testify that i have caused -TO- probably the most hardship when it comes to striping points from me. The only reason why they have is because rob has eaten my base while i was inactive for a week and a half. And yet with me giving them a challenge not once have i seen a multy account of theirs attack me.

Mighty wrote:

this is not my judgment day.. you can search for mine in the forums. but do search for the history of TO and you will see it is not the first time they have been accused.

they keep getting away with it because there is no admin or multi investigation in this game.. nobody is there to protect you guys from the likes of shade.

you can send multi investigation reports until dead man comes, no admin will respond to you.

We can only hope people will see that multing wont help improve your skill but make you unliked in the ST world. Honestly though, its a free game for everyone to play, why would anyone want to ruin it.

Mighty wrote:

remember Shade accused me of hacking his account? well I really wanted to show him for the lie he is, so i asked admin to the an ip check. sadly Admin did the ip chack of the wrong account but here is the result anyway

admin wrote:

i have no clue, the only thing i can help is, the last ips used in Shadey of Capetonier's account were:
80.254.90.240,80.254.89.50,80.254.89.120,193.188.46.64,92.251.85.88

greetings,
admin

Mighty wrote:

your a fucking dipshit.... 193 and 92 is not from a different country... its a different provider. just go to a http://whatismyipaddress.com/staticpages/index.php/lookup-results and find out where they're from.. those are all from a country from Malta. Shade, i highly doubt that Mighty could ever hack you. just do some virus scans.
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 5:42 am Post subject:

Okay dip wit!

game started on dec 2001.. that's is 7 years but I guess you skipped math in elementary school .. I joined a few months in so don't correct me fool.

I never said ROB and KAME were the same person! I said they both multi. they should use your picture as the definition of moron in Oxford dictionaries!

do a location search on 3 of the ips.. you see one is from Msida and the other from San Gwann and the last from Attard btw there all from only 48 hours!

now let me pinpoint it for you dubmshit! here is what butcher said

The Butcher wrote:

notice how he admits to sending the old accounts fleet to attack someone, and than opening a new account and sending the startup fleets to also attack the person and than logging back to his old account to supposedly see his battle reports!

what does that mean? he was logging to 2 accounts at the same time.. that is called multing by the way! and butcher was KAME!

So you just quoted me and made a huge reply which included, a lie, a mistake, a defence for a multi, an irrelevant story and no points!

good job, now go see if you can come up with a better answer to MJ in the other topic.
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:02 am Post subject:

Mighty wrote:

Okay dip wit!

game started on dec 2001.. that's is 7 years but I guess you skipped math in elementary school .. I joined a few months in so don't correct me fool.

I never said ROB and KAME were the same person! I said they both multi. they should use your picture as the definition of moron in Oxford dictionaries!

do a location search on 3 of the ips.. you see one is from Msida and the other from San Gwann and the last from Attard

now let me pinpoint it for you dubmshit! here is what butcher said

The Butcher wrote:

1. I checked the ip addresses and they come out to be from the same island in Europe.

2. Sorry, but i highly doubt you've play for 7 years meaning how you suck and all and you have to resort to asking the alliance member's passwords on PFIU/-ATO- to coincide a defence of the flag.

3. The Butcher and Achilles is the same person fucknut. Some people have different names for different eras.. anyone half retarded could of found that out.

and it seems that you only like to read 1/5th of what you see....

The Butcher wrote:

now incase your fully retarded and not just half, Butcher of someplanet left and flew to target X, whilst butcher of someplanet made another account so he could talk to his friends (things you dont have). Until Butcher of someplanet attacked the other account of Achilles of somenewplanet remained inactive and in newbie protection so he couldn't attack or be attacked. Until Butcher of someplanet was gone Achilles/Butcher checked out the BRs. which is no big deal as long as the other account isn't being touched.

Now if it was different than that then it could of been considered multying. but since you dont recieve allaince round messages while 100% evo he handled it quite well. You should swallow a knife or something.
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:17 am Post subject:

96 Send private message God 29 Sep 2002 377

thats me! I joined a few months before I made a forum account

Lets go over this again stupid! he created an account while he had another, he basically had 10000 mp to attack with instead of 5000... he loged in to his old account while being in the new one!

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- only use one account -
- don't share accounts -

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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:32 am Post subject:

Geesh mighty calling that multi goes a long long way.
I've done that a lot of times (and don't start calling me a multi now)!

I remember when playing evo after evo, your account reaches 100% and ur done playing with that one. Usually what i would do is the same as kame did.

I send my (100% evo account) fleets to random coordinates. Log out and create a new account. and start up as one usually does.
And as kame did i did check my BR's just because i was curious how my old fleets did. Maybe a bit sentimental yes but defenately not multi!

What i need to note aswell is that when you start a new account you usually don't go into fights untill you're 2 days in (apart from a neighbour here and there) mainly because you dont have a TWG yet and you still researching.

So to make a long story short. If you consider this behaviour as multi, then im guilty too and with me a lot of others i guess.......
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:16 am Post subject:

Mighty wrote:

rules
- only use one account -
- don't share accounts -

he used one account for talking, and the other to finish off his fleet. I just can't believe why your so ignorant to this. He went on the forum, posted that he had done this, and let it be. The only reason why you emphasize this is because that the only real hard evidience you have. not only that you constantly warp the original meaning into something thats going to help you more, even though its not the same in the first place. and it not even really evidience. not like he RAT PACKED a base with 8 different accounts. he just wanted to be able to communicate via round messages. there was no intention of multying.

theres a difference between wanting to recieve messages and multying. I nominate you for Douche Bag of the Year Award.
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:37 pm Post subject:

steven1982 wrote:

I see! and it just happened that he finished his evo just the hour they decided to make a run for there flag back? TO certainly gets alot of co-incidents in there favor! wouldn't you say?

btw he didn't attack his neighbor with the new account, he used the 10k mp to try to get there flag back.

are we bending the rules and calling it dandy now? if he really didn't want an advantage from the old account he would have deleted it and than make a new one... instead he went on and logged into 2 accounts within 30 minutes spam... you can break it anyway you want it is still an unfair advantage and cheating.
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