TO lost the flag

[linux666]

[Death_killer]

Low amount of players are because of people like you. I definately dont want to play with people like you that make accusations against TO without proof. How do we know you didnt do that yourself to try framing TO and making us look bad?

Until admin finds us guilty or someone admits to it there is nothing to prove at all. Cry and whine all you want linux your just a baby and your a disgrace to the game no wonder all the veterans are always inclined on leaving you guys dont even respect you enemies.

Back in the old days things were just as competitive but enemies retained respect for each other i see none of that coming from you guys and frankly this has been the worst uprising against TO ever. Its not the first time someone has touched our flag but once we got going you guys got raped left and right and i only maintained activity for two weeks because you guys were so bad.

So please when you have something more substantial then your noob bashing in getting points come back and tell us.

[linux666]

talk to yourself...i don't have any more patiente to deal with r'etards!!!
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[Death_killer]

We'll i'll bring forth your name to admins. This type of accusations and slandar against the best alliance should not be on forums at all. People like you is what make a game bad.

I really hope you receive a temporary forum ban so you can realise how you handled this terribly.

[mackman]

No wonder I quit this game for so long before, now I remember all this frickin drama. Just shut your trap and play the game. You have proof then bring it and I mean proof not a theory.
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[ronsta]

Mackman is right it's a game and these cheap shots at each other doesn't help ST at all. If you keep this pointless bickering people will leave and won't return and you might say thats great now but when one person with a big impact on ST leaves more will follow until no one is left ... I'm talking on neutral terms. I'm picking no side in this FORUM TOPIC but they are innocent till proving guilty. Let admin sort it out and until they find proof we should all just play the game...

From Ronsta PSD

[Marth Diro]

you betraying bastard gave dogs name to the admins??? that is TOTAL IMPUDENCE !!! these accusations are no theory, we all saw it today! so, since dogs name is given to the admins, i am going on to write again and again:

TO is cheating !!!

the only thing we don't know is if this was a method of your alliance or a method of only one stupid poor member of your alliance.

was easy to take your flag back with these multi accounts, eh? we will learn from this. i have absolutely no congratulations for you, only pure contempt.

[Connor McCloud]

We took both flaggs ours and yours with still multiple fleets going for your base so we would got it anyway , I didn't find any proof that one of these accounts you say and I saw are one of -TO- members multiple accounts only that this RickT came in verry handy to -TO- and strangly deleted after his attack , but no proof one of us created this account . Also don't you agree that this RickT would be used against us wich would placed us in a bad spot and made our flagg retrieve look like a dirty job , now we have to fight to clear our name wich has been used in this forum with respect ( not by all ) do you think that is worth all this . So plz order the Admin to check if this account is matching with one of -TO- data.
For the rest stop calling names without real prove .
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[al12]

Something may or may not have happend. I have not read all these posts about the multieng etc. because it is not fun anymore. If there is proof ok( IP would be best), if there is none then the chanse must be considered that maybe TO did not have to do with it. All in all it's not getting more fun with accusations to both sides. I say unless there is any proof lets stop about this, get back to the game and get back NS flag and TO flag. Lets just have fun again.
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[Robert Roy]

While not having played very active for more then a week and with only half our members, we totally killed every single fleet or your alliance..

We did not need a single multi swank fleet, we could have handled double your fleets without any problems.

I only came online during the afternoon, when a bunch of battles had already occured. Honestly, if it isn't a single player wanting revenge after NS bashing, there is only one option left. Up to your own to figure out.

I guess you all lost horribly and it has been made quite clear that you guys have been defeated big time.

RobertRoy
CoW of -TO-
Commander of the Northern Space Legions
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[Marth Diro]

connor, your flag retrieve looks like a dirty job! that's what we're talking about. both accounts came very handy to your ally, both attacked my base before the incoming of the known TO's.

13.05 03:36
your base fights against fleet 1 from Janest of coutisius at 479/502/73

2008-05-13 05:34:22
your base fights against fleet 1 from RickyT of Kold at 479/502/73

both of them were part of the TO flag retrieve! and those 2 accounts logged off at the same time before the attack, and both were deleted after the dirty job they did!
connor, i believe you, that you do not know anything from these accounts, so there could be only two explanations:
1. you have in TO a bad guy, which is using dirty methods, or
2. there's another "helper" outside TO
if it turns out that noone of your ally TO or your allied TOC did this dirty thing, then you're right, connor, someone tries to show your ally as a dirty one. but who has such an interest? i was always full of respect towards TO, it was fun to battle your ally, but now i lost my respect.

and al, for sure this is no fun anymore, it makes no sense to go for a flag, if in case there occur weird multi accounts. i want to fight real enemies, no fictive ones. without sense i have no interest and energy to go for a flag, ours or yours.

may not everything, but one thing is clear, these two accounts helped TO much to get the flag back or to do it without losing points! therefore i don't know if i want to go on playing ST, hope out there are some other games like ST. i liked to play it very much. hope admins or anyone can clarify this incident.

[Marth Diro]

and for sure it was not clear that you would get your flag back without these two multi accounts, whereever they came from!

[lambada]

[MicroJak]

[Vader]

[Mighty]

I've seen the following things happen personally before

1. TO members sharing accounts so they may organize there battles (connor, wiz, Shade)

2. TO members hacking into others accounts (rob)

3. TO members multi (Shade, Kame, Rob)

4. TO members creating new accounts and sending start up fleets to do there bedding, here was the excuse one of them used when we made it public

[T2]

Damn...I only get a few minutes a day right now to "show a presence" and give some points to Connor but it seems I'm missing out on all the drama.

I'll catch up on my reading later today I hope.

[zenachi]

NoStars
13.05 12:49 - battle against Total Ownage and Warriors of the Fallen Star
13.05 12:47 - battle against Total Ownage and Warriors of the Fallen Star
13.05 12:41 - battle against Total Ownage and Warriors of the Fallen Star
13.05 11:04 - battle against Total Ownage
13.05 11:04 - battle against Total Ownage
13.05 10:43 - battle against Total Ownage
13.05 10:24 - battle against Warriors of the Fallen Star and Total Ownage
13.05 08:10 - battle against Total Ownage and Warriors of the Fallen Star
13.05 05:34 - battle against Warriors of the Fallen Star and Twilight Force
13.05 04:07 - battle against no alliance
13.05 03:57 - battle against no alliance
13.05 03:36 - battle against Warriors of the Fallen Star and and no alliance

The WFS battles that "occurred" were non-existent, we had WFS helping us defend the flag, so it was probably their fleets fighting as well and registering as us having battled against them.

We have shown the probe data and battle reports. I don't have mine anymore, because those accounts happened to have disappeared, but from the communication between ourselves during this...
In case you need to have your memory refreshed.
Battles and messages are in reverse order.


2008-05-13 05:34:22
your base fights against fleet 1 from RickyT of Kold at XXX/XXX/XX

enemy: 931 ships
class 2:
930 eagles (2/10, 4 MP)
class 4:
1 mothership (0/1000, 320 MP)

13.05 03:36
your fleet 2 fights against fleet 1 from Janest of coutisius at XXX/XXX/XX

enemy: 8 ships
class 3:
3 apollo cruiser (0/100, 85 MP)
3 cyclopses (0/100, 120 MP)
class 4:
1 mothership (0/1000, 320 MP)
1 major reconstructor (0/150, 550 MP)

13.05 03:36
your base fights against fleet 1 from Janest of coutisius at XXX/XXX/XX

enemy: 45 ships
class 3:
16 cruisers (100/100, 60 MP)
18 apollo cruiser (0/100, 85 MP)
9 cyclopses (0/100, 120 MP)
class 4:
1 mothership (0/1000, 320 MP)
1 major reconstructor (0/150, 550 MP)

fleet 1 from Janest of coutisius
0 class 1 0 class 2 50 class 3 2 class 4
478.92/501.97/72.97

13.252;4.969;4.969

fleet 1 from RickyT of Kold
0 class 1 1000 class 2 1 class 3 1 class 4
475.43/501.73/74.32

14.034;1.061;-5.


Now, those look like a pair of start up fleets, don't you think?

Here's us being curious about these two coming towards the flag location... There's a guy down there posing as NS that was mentioned as well.

12.05 20:56 from Dog of Lust
- alliance round-message -
here's the answer...
12.05 20:52 From:oxiwerv of ebicttyb
Subject:Re:
they are not WFS - del


12.05 20:56 from Dog of Lust
- alliance round-message -
yeah, but having the tag doesn't mean that he is wfs
lofunefano isn't NS is he i asked oxy to confirm if they are wfs...they can be TO, a few started a new evo, or they can even be TOC

NS *O Lofunefano of Undlacry XXXX XXX/XXX/XX

12.05 20:49 from Most Wanted of New Berlin
- alliance round-message -
janest has the WFS tag, but fleets not in defense mode, RickyT shows TF tag...


So.
You didn't need a multi swank fleet. Yet it was conveniently there to help you out.
We tried to "frame" TO. That actually made me laugh. That's so utterly stupid. Why would we try and frame you? It'd be so much easier to make a bunch of new accounts to help us DEFEND the flag as opposed to help you TAKE it.
I had respect for TO before, and I still do now. However, there is still someone among your membership that I don't respect or trust, unfortunately for us, I don't know who that is.

Now, about the "noob bashing" that we've been doing. My TO target is over 3000 ly away from me. A day's trip back and forth, and it's not really worth my time. I have made over 5000 points off him, but there's always new targets popping up all the time closer to home.
My other alliance members have been more active in this war than I have, and they've been attacking only TO for the past while. So if there's any "noob retialiations," I'd think they'd come for me, correct? I'm the one with the top score and the one attacking everyone around me. I've already had one visitor, and it was from a LEGIT member of IG.
And yet they decide to fly towards the flag location. Which is also held by our member with the lowest point score (sorry buddy).

So. Anything else to say?

I've compiled all our evidence right here for all to see. Linux isn't quite angry, as you can see, and he's throwing the proof at you one piece at a time. So I'm putting it all together so you can see it without dismissing each individual bit.

[Noxus]

Everyone needs to shut up and relax.

First point i want to make commenting Mighty:
1. The "Fly and Die" method of sending your ships in for certian death then making a new account is not cheating if it doesn't benefit him whatsoever. Achilles is totally clear because if you read his post it states he did everything possible to prevent an advantage. But there is an advantage somewhat when reading what is in the attackee's fleet. but never the less Admin FIXED IT. Also while in an alliance with you, you made a few selected members (to be unnamed) exercise this method.

-TO- more than likely doesn't cheat. Although i can't prove it, but with battles with Shade, Kamie, Rob, Connor and others; they are all good (hence Total Ownage) and they don't need to cheat in order to win. At least i hope so. Also in the past they've been on IRC and showed different IP addresses from very far away.

Although i wouldn't doubt so much that they have in the past shared accounts. But this round i have not seen any case where this might of happened at all. I can prove that with a battle against Kame and Rob.

They also played together for 3-4 years now. Hence the similar fleet setups, constant activity (for the most part), and just being able to communicate and totally own.

Every Era its the same thing over and over and over again. QUite frankly i have seen many acusations, and all of them so far end up falling short. This is getting rediculous. There is no fesible way to tell if anyone is cheating other than getting to know the person.

I can tell you that Rob and Shade are not multys at all. So that kills 98% of Mighty's theories. If anyone is a questionable character it would be Mighty. While I was in his alliance he's ordered some pretty questionable things.

But good luck finding any information proving that -TO- plays dirty tricks. They have the same advantages as anyone else that plays "clean/fair". So people have to stop with the whining and stop ruining the game because you lost a battle. Shit happens so deal with it.

TO is not cheating so deal with it. And i say this as a non-TO member who has fought against them for the past 2 years.



---Noxus~>
Leader & MoC of
Shade's Fan Club
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[lambada]