Training alliance loophole???

[DavAlan]

I notice that the "tiny and minute" 46 member (!!!) training allliance TF has taken the flag of the " very large" 5 member Sonic Reign.
Seems a "little" out of balance IMHO and I thought the training alliances were not to engage in normal warfare except between themselves?
KOT? ....what brought that down on you?
And while you obviously require assistance I should not ask but...??? do you?

Now I now why I thought those 2 alliances were an extremely bad idea in the long run
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[T2]

You are quite right Renee. Either training alliance should not be taking any flags including each others. That should be left to independent alliances and something for the new alliances that spawn to learn on their own.
At worst case, the Flag should be kept at the Leaders base and as he has no ships, it would be a question of just going to pick it up again.
However, it remains that a training alliance with 40+ members should not actively engage in flag napping. At worst case if it happened, the leadership should return it immediately.

This is why responsible leadership was chosen initially to avoid any descrepencies or abuses that would be possible.

If Admin would "clean up " the potential places for abuse within these training alliances, then anybody could take a turn at "administering" them...answering noob questions etc. Also... If 1 person administered both alliances, it would be much easier to "arrange" battles between the 2 alliances and then a flag capture between them could also be arranged.
This helps keep the brand new players in their "own world" of ST making less impact on the overall competetive galaxy.

[Alkvist]

its there own fault if they can't hold on to there flag. it a training alliance and they should be able to try new things that is after all how one learns this game by trying things out. and if sonic left there flag that open they should have it taken those training alliances are good thing gives people a chance at the game. Now maybe T-O wants sonics flag they just have to get the person who took it on there side its like a way TO GET into some alliances, someone sees to alliances at war and wants to join one of them what better way to get there attention then taken there enemys flag.people need to keep better eye on the training alliances because there are people in them who can help them out.

HAHAHAHA to Sonic you lost your flag the a starter alliance HAHAHAHAHAHA

[DavAlan]

[Renee Davis]

[T2]

[DavAlan]

[T2]

[Phoenix]

KoT if you need your flag back, 3words

Hire us .... now

[Knight of Truth]

I was hoping to launch a crusade against Twilight Force. But Sparks said he was going to ''talk''.

And if it doesnt work wel just launch a crusade. I hope.

Holding the pulsar is boring.


P.S: Sparks, I told you it was a good idea to rotate the flag.
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[Mighty]

said this before.. we'll say it again!

you need a script to teach the new players not an alliance!

a professionally done script taking the new players through the basics of the game will be much more useful than a huge alliance supposed to teach em something.
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[T2]

[Connor McCloud]

[Vrictus]

hmmmm

i still dont see how a training alliance could catch a flag.....some veteran input must be present

[ilofuyci]

Is there any way to put a time limit on being in the starting alliance?

When you start, you're protected for 2 days, but can it be set that once you've been playing for a month, or so, you get kicked out of the starting alliance, and you have to join a combat alliance?

That way, veterans couldn't hide out in the starter groups. And the New players wouldn't get punished when this kind of thing happens.

[Mighty]

Yes T2 that is exactly what i mean! a scripted tutorial with set missions and with some kind of bonus points awarded (say them credits they use to invent ships) so they are motivated to go though it

ie.. mission 1 .. adding a comm
2.. making a ms
n.. making a basic fleet
m.. Attacking a simulated enemy with the basic fleet
m+1.. studying the simulated battle report with the help of the scrip section by section
m+2 making a new fleet based on what was learned to attack the exact same enemy and make more points
M+n scrip show the optimized fleet for the case and why it is optimized

M+K .....

you can go on forever based on how much you wanna teach them before you let them into the dog hole

It works much better than an alliance

check this out
www.urban-rpg.com

they have a similar training style of a scripted training..
I know that cuz i was the one that came up with it ..
I also happen to know they used to have a noob alliance before they had this and it didn't work to well.. i was one of that alliances leaders..

trust me a script works alot better.
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[T2]

[Vrictus]

either colossal luck

or

some planning

[Sparks]

Hey all, lets put some clarity on the situation.

Since I am the leader of Sonic-Reign and had the flag at the time it's my fault that it got stolen!

However in my defense I was on vacation for a couple of days visiting my parents for easter then got the damn flu and was mothered for a further couple of days. No internet now at parents home since I am at uni so no way to get onto ST. Otherwise I would have seen the incoming.

The guy from Twighlight force sent in a scout first then hit me with some HQ invaders. I had an all round fleets defending my planet but unfortunately the guy had enough HQ invaders to steal the flag.

I have no problem with flag capture and all BUT as the above thread has underlined >>How does a 5 man alliance go up against 40+ people???


I spoke to Mare who is supposed to be in charge of the Twilight Force newbie guild and unfortunately since he evoed out he is no longer leader of Twighlight force. Some noob is, who has the flag at the moment.
Mare isnt even CoW so cant give me co-ords of the flag bearer so we can get it back!

So now Sonic has to search through 40+ players just to find the co-ords of the noob flag commander (joehughes of caladon). If any one knows his co-ords SR would really appreciate it (just pm me).

So to re-iterate the point:

Should the newbie guilds participate in alliance warfare ?? NO
The only way would be for a vet leader to control it and release the flag if a noob decide to use a HQ invader.

Unfortunately Twilight Force is leaderless and has gone renegade.

One of the dire consequences of these newbie guilds (other than multying).

PS in addition... if 5+ noobs get together and start bashing one player they must be released (banned) from the newbie guild so they can start playing as a proper alliance. Similar for players who seem to be doing well.
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[Sparks]

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