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Spyder
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 Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| Metody I The Evil wrote: | Indeed.
Yet Spyder, 'bout the borg war... I don't completely agree. Skyfreak was indeed one of the nine(?) who killed borg.
There's one very simple reason for this - back then, new players were, well, to say at least, afraid of Borg (well, ok, *feared Borg* is a better term), whereas most experienced ones thought of Borg as a rather irritating thing, preferred to be either part of it, or, to have some sort of NAP, so they can live, well, ok, *play happily ever after*. (Of course there were some who joined Borg for other reasons - 'cuz they wanted to, for example, sheesh!).
You have to admit it - most of ST was scared as 6it. (just take a look at the forums at around the time when ABC was formed) That promise of "You either join, or, you'll be beaten into submission over and over again 'till you do join" was quite efficient, coming from a 60+ alliance.
And only a handful decided to stand up, mostly new players. And Skyfreak was one of them. Without ABC, Borg would've survived for quite more time. You cleaned up the alliance after it proved ineffective, but without the war, it wouldn't 've proven ineffective in the first place. We stood up, and guess how that affected the fear which was Borg's main advantage. After that, it was only a matter of time.
You made the alliance closed, due to frustration, that's true. Ok, but I do believe that at least some of that frustration was due to Lou using Borg's very own Transwarp network to his advantage... and others following suit  The easiest way to stop someone from using your very own TWG is to make a closed alliance by not giving your pass away.
The war itself was indeed as intense as a war can get (Maybe HSA vs TO was near that intensity, for me)... but to my knowledge, it was more on the ABC part, retaliations from Borg, paradoxally, were very rare.
But you have to admit it - ABC did it's job, one way or the other.
Speaking of frustration, I hope you ain't still mad at Skyfreak for the "[X]" |
lol, no I do disagree, thats why I said it. I killed the concept, the borg died out eventually through natural attrition. The whole 1 of 9 thing ignores the many many antiborg who were not actually part ot the abc kids. Aeleon before I turned him, darmogen, achilles, the early ape empire fellows!!! etc etc. Plus you all seem to ignore utterly the fact that the venezualan borg had quite intense battles with the venezualan antiborg.
My frustration was with the multi's, I was appalled by lou, but that was me being conservative, I woulda just banned him if I coulda caught him. As it was the dominion just beat me to his planet at the end. First time for that, I never thought then how often that would happen.
I did not want to be borg leader, it was annoying enough being the CoW.
It still remains unclear to me if the concept would actually work long term, I think without wiz maybe not, but then again, I was never actually sold on the concept that much either. It was mathematical in theory, which means I couldnt possibly understand it. I have thought about similar concepts, but I don't have the energy to pursue em.
For the record admin were divided equally borg and anti borg.
I do agree that some were actually scared, but heck, we were not supposed to be liked.
I was annoyed at the X theft, it kind of amuses me now. Skyfreak is nuts, you know that don't you?
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:03 am Post subject: |
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I like skyfreak, even though he can get angry at times he is still a good freind to me he was my first freind ever on this game, he stopped the players like Turiana and others to stop atacking me, so that i thank him for!
So Spyder dont run him down all the time if it wasnt for him i probally wouldent be here now because if i hadnt have made evolution i also wouldent have met KameKaze6.
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Metody I The Evil
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:45 am Post subject: |
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| promethius2 wrote: | | History is always one-sided....... |
Well said, Methi.
Still, Aeleon was already converted (assimilated) by the time ABC got fully operational. About the Venezuelan anti-borg and the early Ape, you hadn't brought that up 'till now, which is sort of strange, I'm inclined to think you've got the times mixed up a bit maybe, were they before ABC or after etc., but since this is the first time I ever hear of that, I ain't gonna claim that with certainty, 'till I get some more info. It'd be nice if you clear it, though
I still believe that we, as ABC, the original 9, were the core around and after which the ressistance built. Just as the first serious crack is usually blamed for the destruction of a dam, instead of the huge 10x10 meters concrete block that fell a while later
Skyfreak is one of the best friends I've made on ST exactly in the Borg war, though fate would have it, we have been in-game enemies ever since.  Stealing the [X] seems now so funny that it can truly make a guy laugh  I think he did that mainly 'cuz of Dark_ impersonating him on IRC BTW.
As for Lou, yeah, he was extremely careful not to get caught when joining Borg, but also others used that tactic to some extent.
Ok, so, it's official - Skyfreak should change his signature to 1 of 10 who killed borg (you included)
Still, I never figured out who Fleshcut was... Did you have more luck on that? And one thing really caught my attention - there was a MATHEMATICAL principle behind the Borg? Do you mind sharing, at least, in general what it was?
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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how long ago was it since skyfreak acually played though because i knew his ingame name for a while and nobody else knew it but hes gone and i aint seen hide or hair of him  makes me quite sad 
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WilliamWallace
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Age number 5:
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[Fifth Age]
TO came up and lot of other stuff. Then there came one more big war, although much smaller then the Borg Wars.
Illuminati 2 started (HSA) Illuminati-2 better known as HSA was originally an idea from kamekaze6, and was to get the Illuminati back, Morgoth Bauglír (Gorthmog, steven1982) was to lead the alliance, but due to his absence when it started Dutchbatter took the lead. When Gorthmog then joined the alliance he chose to let Dutchbatter continue the lead since he was doing the job well. Kamekaze6 was once again CoW. The idea of the alliance was to get as much top players in the alliance as they could, and they succeeded in this quite good. Spyder [phantom] joined, Rince (species) joined and more veterans from the great alliances. But also TO started to exist again, and were taking the top position at that moment. Capture the flag was introduced, and TO managed to steal the flag from HSA, this is when the great war started, aswell on forum as in game. After days of big fighting and lots of attempts to get the flag back, HSA finally managed to get their flag back, and later stole TO flag. HSA however got disbanded when players got in respawn and chose to take a break, they slowly vanished. |
I started editing here to make it a less biased story. Here is when I joined the game. Summer 2004, still fifth round. Enjoy reading
| Quote: | After HAS died many other nice things happened.
It is good to mention HORNY, a federation of good players from different alliances that just wanted to play one round together. In there were Skullpants, Connor and Araith. They gained great scores and behaved nicely. Not a word of them is to be found in the forums about them, so recording this is good for all that never witnessed.
TO rose to enormous heights, they broke every single record at the score planets.
Noteworthy alliances around this time were the Insane Clone Posse of Spyder, MasterHunters (a good old alliance that never slipped out of the top alliances) and the new Black Ops, founded by Link.
As some people were complaining more and more about TO and TO themselves were asking for some challenges, Methi founded The Triumvirate. It was a few alliances merged, but soon he realized it wasn’t enough. So The Pentician Alliance was formed. It consisted of ApeEmpire, The New Sons of Korhal, The Survivors of Auir, The United Federation of Planets, Black Ops, Triumvirate, Masterhunters Insane Clone Posse (ICP) and Hells angels in Vietnam (HAV).
The war came to a climax at the beginning of January 2005.
At that time, BO had fallen apart due to mass multieproblems (then clean players moved to Empires of Chaos, EoC) and HAV had also died. The big alliances that played vs TO were Ape Empire and ICP. |
Well here is age number 6. From january 2005 until october 2005.
| Quote: | [Sixth Age}
After the war inevitable failed, Shade decided TO needed a break. Some of the coreplayers took a break, but most TO people and some other good vets joined Death Before Dishonour and Species2. MasterHunters was taking first place for a while but after short war vs DBD, which also involved the secret membership of Mighty in MH, soon the score of DBD started growing more and more. They and Species2 took first places. They had a nice duel organized; this surely is a reason for a compliment towards both their CoWs.
Later on this year, other developments were the rise of NeutralZone, an alliance lead by the old and well respected player Davalan and the re-appearance of Insane Clone Posse. This time they returned in a complete new form, that of dictatorship. But most importantly, there was the rise of Ice Age. You could look at them as they were a new HORNY, but this time they were all dutch. Mordor, Runemaster, Sneaky, and Rider they all were in there. The only ones missing were Connor that wasn’t playing then and Wiley and Rob were in MH.
Players came, players left. Shade left after being upset about something that shouldn’t be constantly made public. Turiana left and she never came back ingame. Rubens and Liderant returned. We can go on like this for ages. Alliances came, alliances left.
The New Order, Time Lords, SpaceArmada, Zero Tolerance Crew and many others.
The summer times were exciting, TO started fighting ICP, and they won a tremendous victory. And as this age was walking on it’s last legs, finally big stuff happened again. As quick as had been seen in a long in ST, a new big force rose to power. It was The Red Army, lead and founded by Methi. At this time TO had already won the ICP war and once again they were dieing at the BH.
Llkrnboi1018 saw this and founded a new alliance known as Defiance and there goal was too “defy” TO but when latter asked too join Might’s revolution against TO they passed up the opportunity. Meanwhile The Red Army were having a war with the Intercellar alliance which ended with a victory for TRA but that wasn’t strange as they were much bigger.
By this time Shade discovered a plot of TRA to attack MH. There were fierce discussions on this, but in the end the information provided by the spy TO had there simply wasn’t much to talk about. TO declared war to backup MH, then MH joined in them selves.
Quite fast, 8 members of TO and 2 members of MH started fighting The Red Army which counted 19 members at that time. Evolution backed up TRA, it was a merge of Evans ( TRA ) and 4 Ice Age players. This war lasted for about a week or three, and very nice battles occurred. There were massive score gains from the TO side, and they got up to the first place again. MH didn’t gain that much as they suffered relatively much more attacks on their home planets. When TRA surrendered Evolution disbanded and Defiance stopped their war talks.
Then the game went quiet and the age ended. |
Still working on the Seventh age. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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APEmpire and TO history:
APEmpire and TO have never really got on except for the time when they both thought masterhunters toghter, the only reason they got on then because i was reinstated into the alliance after HAV fell and i was made leader once again, returning back to my home ground as some may put it, but the times before when i was just a member i had thought against TO players even attacking Darmadons base and scoring 1200+ but then shade and darmadon both visisted me toghther and took out my base and my fleets. I still need to pay them both back for that
APEmpire during the " Pentican Alliance" war split up into three groups then into 4 as i had joined, the aim was to split up into to alliances of 2 players and 1 alliance of 3 players this would then stop the flags from being taken from them in the great war which many alliances were part of. Many say that the Pentican Alliance never existied, i can tell you that, this saying was not true the treaty of all the alliances in it may not have all held out but there certinaly was sometime or an other an alliance or how should i put it a Non-Hit pact between all of the alliances which took part in "Trying" to bring down the alliance TO.
Many battles were won, many battles were lost TO fell a place and then rose up a place in the statistics tables, her members then were to what i can rember were:
Darmadon, Base, Big Matt, Shade, Connor, DK... the others i cannot rember at this time but if i do i will post them, these though were the main attackers of TO these were the warriors of TO these are the ones in which i can rember seeing in the brs sent to me from my APEmpire members from all of the 3 teams, sometimes loosing and sometimes winning.
APEmpire in the end after this war well a month or so later became back to one again then i decided to leave, and reopen ZTC, wishing them all look in the troubles and battles. But when i reopend ZTC nothing much came of it, so i decided to close it down once and for all.
A few months later i noticed that some strange activitys were going on inside APEmpire i knew that there were alligations in the past of multyiness in APEmpire, so i decided to take alook a bit deeper into this and a few weeks on i noticed that they all in there (King had gone) had same login times and near enough same fleet setups etc... so i thought multis, so i got myself reinstated leader of the alliance and once and for all closed it down!
That was the last time i ever seen of APEmpire.
I hope that has lightend it up 
Greetz ,Evans
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WilliamWallace
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Yes thanks for mentioning the alliances which most people wouldent have mentioned
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WilliamWallace
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I forgot summer rivalry between MH and SM, and SM were forgotten completely, I'll implement them later on then Age 6 will be complete. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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okdokie, once the histroys all completley finsihed tell me and then maybe you and me william can patch all the history toghther then i will host it up some place.
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WilliamWallace
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I would like to give the community ( or at least what is left of it ) about a month to comment/recommend changes. |
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Mighty
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:17 am Post subject: |
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| Spyder wrote: | It still remains unclear to me if the concept would actually work long term, I think without wiz maybe not, but then again, I was never actually sold on the concept that much either. It was mathematical in theory, which means I couldnt possibly understand it. I have thought about similar concepts, but I don't have the energy to pursue em.
For the record admin were divided equally borg and anti borg.
I do agree that some were actually scared, but heck, we were not supposed to be liked.
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Well i think the concept might have had a very good chance of working had you guys let me in it as well....
As soon as the round started you guys started borg and i started my own big noob alliance LXG.... now borg grew and any other alliance would have had no chance of keeping up with you old timers but i did... i kept up for a while and my alliance was number 1 at all times (both in score and number of members and allied alliances)... after a week into the game when i found it really hard to keep up with you and wizz i started using less than honest (multi) ways to keep my score up.... my alliance was dependent on my score... i could not have let them down.... and so it began. now with out LXG there would have been no old timer to help out the new guys and borg would have been alliance #1 and by doing so they would have got everybody to either join em or quit the game.... the only thing that fucked wizz'z plan was me.. and later on when i left the peeps from my alliance and my 2nd wing illuminuti started joining up and following my lead.. (even thoughthey no longer liked me for multing...)
So you can say God was the reson for borgs destruction
Now as for illuminuti... the history is wrong.. steven's guys were attackin mine... i told them to stop and he did and than i found him to be an intresting guy so i offerd him to become LXG's Second wing... and they did...
They were not just our ally.. they were literly the 2nd part of our alliance... they used the [LXG-T] (or somethin like it) and all new members intrested in joinin lxg had to join em first
And What the hell happend to all my victory's with TO!!!!! i manged to bring down TO single handed TWICE!!!! and not a word about it in anybody's history.. shame on you people!!! SHAME on you!
now you guys would probebly say they were tired and they had enough and they disbanded and it was just a matter of luck. i tell you what. your wrong... i disbanded them the first time by using Propeganda and Spy networks... they were getting tired and fed up..... There alliance info kept on being publisized.. they kept on losin there flags and there academy (led by kirby) was full of my spy's .... i remember kirbs used to talk all though and than i would tell him "that's it i'm going to send some of my friends to visit yourplanet tonight" and than he go appologizin... they were tired of me gettin on there nerves and them havin no clue who i am....
as for the 2nd time around.... well they just didn't feel like repetin all the propegada war and they gave up earlier 
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Rubens
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:35 am Post subject: |
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First, i just want to say something so it keeps clear. Borg didnt exist in rounds, they exist in the first part of evolution.
Second, mighty you shouldnt have that big mouth and ego. You destroyed TO twice? Tell us how plz, and, if you think you have fought amazingly so you multi-era could be forgotten, write your self your own history!
I can claim more history about other alliances too, but if you want to be part of it, show proobs and write it yourself, the other ppl arent yo your service.
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Mighty
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:37 am Post subject: |
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I DID.... go do a serch in the old topics... i don't have time for a complite history... maybe some other time
I never really tried to make people forget my multi era... i made a mistake... i faced the consequnces.... no reson to forget a lesson....
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:41 am Post subject: |
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good to know that you think like that.
Really? I dont remember? When you refer to MANAGED what does it mean?
If you know that you did it, why do u have to tell us that? Keep it as your prize and be happy, dont ask us to write it. If you want to be famous you should write that bro;) |
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