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Evolution vs Rounds
I like Evolution
25%
 25%  [ 14 ]
I like Rounds
56%
 56%  [ 31 ]
Combination of both would be nice
18%
 18%  [ 10 ]
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 Post Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:37 am    Post subject:
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- The alliance finding thing. alliances are dynamic structures. they occur and there is decline -> so there are always alliances that need members (maybe not the top alliances, but why should they ?)

Because it is not fun, most people like changes. Like it was fun to start a Borg alliance, a Species, a Mercenaries, a Psychos. It is fun to do something total different in 1 round. Play your role and see who wins and come back next round with something totally different. Now it is difficult to start something new just because there is no real end. And of course alliances need members, but the thing of good alliances is always that they fell apart because of their own success. They take to many new members or refuse to do take the friends of their allies in.
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- Competition in single player score and alliance score. no difference

There is a difference, why do I have to tell it actually. You don't know if you are ahead, if you are the one who is winning. Because define winning, there is no such thing. Only be at a certain moment at the top and that says nothing because you may have allies with a far evolution.
Perhaps because you don't want to see them, but this is a quote that is felt by many players:
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the graph stats is nice, but who is ahead
someone respawns
there is no leaders
so no sense of winning
so no real competition

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Time is an important factor in competition- The NEED to be on top of the alliance (single player) list at the end of the round. to be on top in a period of time is the same .. every hero has his time...

No, because the other competitors (the ones that with a round system normally start at beginnin) don't have to be as far in his or her evolution
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- the BH fun no difference

Tell me what is the fun nowadays of BH, what was the fun in thw WHOLE never ending round. Only in the first 3 months it was a (relatively to the whole never ending round) a good place. And after that it was kept high by 2 other score planets. But BH or others didn't have and still don't have that much attention. Like in the last round with Space Sharks that came up from dead last to No 1 by the BH. It won't be possible now and you know it.

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i can see really no benefits !

Well if you can't see the benefits of rounds or disadvantages of the evolution you are just blind with your own ideas. I do see the drawbacks of the rounds, but I think they'll be compensated by advantages.

And to suggest a compromise.
Perhaps 1 or 2 rounds in a year and the rest of the year evolution.
Let's say
February, March, April
October, November, December
Other months evolution

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 Post Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:49 am    Post subject:
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^^Thumbs up smiley ^^

JaM, the idea is briliant, the mix of both. But why make them take turns? 1st six months - 2 rounds, 2nd six months - one, neverending.

and there's something the neverending round lacks - the feeling of the inevitable end.
you know you have one week, maybe in that week you can *using teeth and nails* jump 100 points above that bastard who's 2000 ahead and who's also scoring and he's like a day from the closest ally to him, and then, when it all ends, that effort will stay in the Hall of Fame (the ROUND-based hall of fame )

And now what's the point of doing that on 93% evolution? Put that much effort... for what? In the new hall of fame, WHAT exactly is the point of being 100 points ahead of him

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 Post Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:29 am    Post subject:
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So many idea's ... Nice ....lol
I, too, have an idea...
Let's leave it the way it is...
because you wanna know what...
if Admin changes the system, or adjusts it...
after a few months, we gonna say...
but hey...
the respawning thing, now that was so wonderful...
admin, can we have that back lol
so we can do ourselves a big favour...
and when our percentage is reached...
we ought to be creative and act as if "my round" has ended...
and make new moves...new alliances....new this and new that...
cept of course for the odd few...
Now that was my idea...

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 Post Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:07 am    Post subject:
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Yeah, but having 2 rounds and then 2 evolutions pretty much takes care of those wishes

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 Post Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 4:33 pm    Post subject:
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the explanations why rounds have benefits are not working, because most of the stuff is also working.

the only thing is to define a date where a winner is declared , anything else is just the same !

*black hole - you gave no expanation
*competition - as i said .. no difference
*alliances - the same for round modus... if you do not know the right people you cannot join cool allainces ...


the advantages of evolution style are clear:

a dynamic and full developed universe all the time , much more like the real world. When you are born you will find yourself in a full developed world with avatars that reached any imaginable evolution state

so this structure is intuitively the right structure... it looks good with its time-flow ...

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 Post Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:01 pm    Post subject:
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You are good in telling it is not working and we are not right are you
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 Post Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:21 pm    Post subject:
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i think wars are a waste of time because one team will win then the over team will launch an attack and so on [img]http://[/img]
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 Post Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:36 am    Post subject:
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I think I should respond to Spacetrace, the question is, which post.
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 Post Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:54 am    Post subject:
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Instead I will post a fable based on the snafu principle

In the beginning was the plan,
and then the specification;
And the plan was without form,
and the specification was void.
And darkness
was on the faces of the implementors thereof;
And they spake unto their leader,
saying:
"It is a crock of shit,
and smells as of a sewer."
And the leader took pity on them,
and spoke to the project leader:
"It is a crock of excrement,
and none may abide the odor thereof."
And the project leader
spake unto his section head, saying:
"It is a container of excrement,
and it is very strong, such that none may abide it."
The section head then hurried to his department manager,
and informed him thus:
"It is a vessel of fertilizer,
and none may abide its strength."
The department manager carried these words
to his general manager,
and spoke unto him
saying:
"It containeth that which aideth the growth of plants,
and it is very strong."
And so it was that the general manager rejoiced
and delivered the good news unto the Vice President.
"It promoteth growth,
and it is very powerful."
The Vice President rushed to the President's side,
and joyously exclaimed:
"This powerful new software product
will promote the growth of the company!"
And the President looked upon the product,
and saw that it was very good.
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 Post Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 3:44 pm    Post subject:
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/me wonders why ST has to be the as in real life
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 Post Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 4:02 pm    Post subject:
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Round or evolution ,
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 Post Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:03 pm    Post subject:
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I still want rounds back.

Never ending rounds makes admin less nessecerry because it will never end.
Never ending rounds are attrative to newbies, that is n00bs and multies included. Because in newbies there is relatively more n00bs and multies then in other people.
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 Post Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:51 am    Post subject:
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i believe u should be able to play at all times, and not on a schedule, cause mine might not work with those and then the alliances will also fall down which i i think is ur reason to post this, but there won't be rounds, admin answered already

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 Post Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:15 am    Post subject:
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Well, this is very first time i play this game, so this is my first respawn, im at 40% now, and who say there is no real competition is wrong...Becouse every player can respawn again and again, every alliance have same possibilitys to became stronger and stronger. Stronger is better, better is an winning position, so competition is all over there. Rounds sounds nice, but after 1-2 rounds everyone will have the feeling like....i saw it all i have nothing here to do anymore. System like its running now have no real start (except for individual players) and an kind of middle line in research, and most important, you dont have to be afraid of being overrun by several fleets at the end of time, game is better balanced like this, becouse even best(experienced) players will be weaker from time to time. So they have challenge to keep name of alliance high, and newbies who form own alliance have chance against them.
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 Post Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:37 am    Post subject:
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I didn't post it because of alliances fall down, most alliance fall down after 2 evolution periods anyway. And the feeling you describe is more likely to come up after 3 evolution rounds with me. Yes the competition is now, but not always. And the common practise is that n00b alliances mostly trying to be friends with the No 1 alliance. But with rounds you have an end to the game, something that declares you as winner, which is not now. And to join in half way is not nessecerily bad for newbies. Because that (half) round can be their practise round and the next round they can play SpaceTrace as every other player and try to join cool alliances. The purpose of a game is to see who is best in it in a given period. Now you have only something as who is best, and you can't actually compare it because how much score you get depends on other factors except strategy and tactics.
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 Post Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:58 am    Post subject:
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Idd JaM.

I want the rounds back
( never had them anyway, but it sounds better, now all ya guys are talking about rounds. It is just more efficient)

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 Post Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 8:58 am    Post subject:
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@Jam only this i say, total ownage is the best and we tech people as well, we finally managed to be the best of the best. That u get upset by it, i can inderstand, but hey, u can always fight the best, so stop crying jammy



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 Post Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:34 am    Post subject:
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All vote for the rounds
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 Post Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:35 am    Post subject:
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On 2005-02-01 08:58, Skyfreak wrote:
@Jam only this i say, total ownage is the best and we tech people as well, we finally managed to be the best of the best. That u get upset by it, i can inderstand, but hey, u can always fight the best, so stop crying jammy





Err relevence?????????

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 Post Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:43 pm    Post subject:

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On 2005-02-01 08:58, Skyfreak wrote:
@Jam only this i say, total ownage is the best and we tech people as well, we finally managed to be the best of the best. That u get upset by it, i can inderstand, but hey, u can always fight the best, so stop crying jammy




This topic begun long before TO was the best.

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