So Called Disarmament vs Triumvirate

[Vision]

This is deeply, outragagously un-honorable


Apperently, three minor alliances among them NSK and Borgs and who knows who else ganged up and formed the Triumvirate. Now they have 17 players and still not a lot of points.

Now they decided to gang-bang on So Called Disamament with 2 players. We faught against 5 of them already and more are on their way.

We still have twice their points and they way they fight now, this doesn't seem to change soon. However, against this kind of gang-banging we can't hold out very long.

Here is the best part:
my neighbor was in NSK. Although we didn't join them, we were allied. I helped him out more than once when he got gang-banged himself. I didn't get anything back for that, in terms of help. Now he joined T^3 and attacks me. This is so poor.

(not being sure about the forum rules, I don't post any names)

I don't mind loosing against this kind of unhonorable behaviour. I assume many of you fought against me and got to know me as an honorable player. I never gangbanged anyone.

This kind of behaviour deeply violates my sense of justice. I post this here for two reasons.

1) T^3: you may win but this is a poor victory. You were loosers before you fused to T^3 and this kind of strategy will not change that. Try to get some points in a honorable way, these are worth a lot more.

2) all honorable players, I call upon you to attack T^3 wherever you can find them. Let us schow them that this is a game that rewards honorable play and punishes cowards.

thank you

[kandos-]

that is damn unfair... to turn on oyur teacher... he don't deserve to be a member of any alliance... f***ing loser!1





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[concour]

You dare call me dishonerable and a losser before we merged. I am the one who was the Leader of the Borg Empire before the merge into the Triumvirate, (also 3 allaine's merged togather not 2)The Borg Empire was in the top 20 before we merged and we got those points honorablly. Becuase we are a well orginized allaince that has 18 members you are getting mad at us.

Also you should feel lucky that we are not bringing our other allies in this fight, if you want us to we can, this fight is to be between our two allaince's ( T^3 and SCD)

[doomstar]

Concour, read his post, he is complaining that 2 vs 18 is quite unjust.

[concour]

not all 18 of us are attacking them, we have some guys as our defenders while our attackers are attacking. If he has a problem with it he will have to deal with it. This is a war game you are to forge allaince's and crush others. Because we have forged allaince's with other allaince's and have and 18 member allaince and be fairly orginzed is an accomplishment and we re playing the game well.
Also on a personal note he better stop calling all of us dishonerable, i could see his point wit that one person, but the allaince consist of 18 members, and over 1/3 of them came form my former allaince the Borg Empire

[Aphrael]

Thats true, not all 18 are attacking, just about one third of them. I guess their "attackers". You have got a funny strategy. To mob a two member alliance and still don't gain points. I never would call you dishonorable.
Still- I remember the Borg Empire as well as the New Sons of Korhal asked the SCD to join their alliances- we denied the request cause of personal reasons and i also remember kind of non- aggression treaty you offered the SCD and breaking it without any warning.
So I truly understand you mind being called dishonourable, it's just a kind of different honour. I don't mind you being a "well original" alliance with 18 really good members I don't even mind being attacked from about 4 or 5 members of your "great" alliance. Thanks for the points by the way

[Vision]

Concour

honestly

I couldn't make my point better than you do.

I call you a looser because the simple fact remains that the 17 members of your alliance have roughly half the points as Aphrael and me. So despite your epochal explanation of this being a war game and you are supposed to make points, you obviously simply suck at it.
And if there'd be any doubts, look at the scores since you started this alliance war. You are loosing heavily, we are gaining.


I call you dishonorable because.... oh my, how can I say that?? You want to call in other alliances? So how many people do you think you need to deal with the two of us? 17 isn't enough so you need more alliances?

~shakes head in disbelieve~

you don't get it do you?

[STARDOOM]

Outrageous! How can you point your finger at our alliance's 17 members when only 5 are attacking you! Please don't go around exaggerating the number of people you have to fight! The Survivors of Aiur are one thrid of the triumvirate alliance and have not taken part in this "war" better addressed as a conflict! You 2 should be able to deal with 5 members as 2 better than I versus 3..especially if your score and skill surpasses your opponent! I was once attacked by some 6-7 fleets from 3 different members all from the same alliance and with-in 1 hour of each other...they were the HSA...this was a prior conflict months or so ago. They were the more powerful ones and they outnumbered me! infact they nearly squished me like a bug! BUT I NEVER CALLED THEM DISHONORABLE, nor did I target those members that took no part in the attack! The alliance members belonging to the triumvirate that have chosen NOT TO ATTACK YOU are still being targeted for being "dishonorable"! this is an outrage and an insult to my alliance. We have not attacked you, and should you neglect to refrain from using my members as examples of gangbang...(18 vs 2) then I will have to turn the other way and stop telling my people to leave you alone. i don't think you've figured this out yet...so I want to make it clear.
Myself and the members of The S.O.A. have not attacked you nor do they plan to. But they're numbers have been added to the whole alliance and assumed to be taking part in the attack. We as a part of the alliance have decided not to attack you...but in light of your accusations against us...I can not bring myself to tell them not to attack you any longer...

Should you remove any resonsibility from The S.O.A. members as part of the whole then I will continue to prevent my mebers from attacking you.

I simply ask that you remove us from your conflict and call apon the other members who may have taken head to your request for back up...to not attack or encounter my alliance members.

We have had no prior quarrel with you until you accused the members of The S.O.A. of being dishonorable!

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[ This Message was edited by: STARDOOM on 2004-11-15 20:17 ]

[Vision]

I must have fallen asleep and woke up in the middle of the wet dream of a pubescent minor

~pinches arm~
no, I am awake.... funny..

Now let's see. You think, I should not complain about being attacked by "only" 5 members? See, my retarded friend, this game is special because unlike other games, all players have the same manpower so in a battle situation it strategy that decided. I like that. And using stratgy, I did gain a lot of points. Now, while I outsmart any one of you without hesitation there is no way I can withstand 6 fleets attacking me in intervals of 4h. There is simply no way.
Speaking of strategy, whose brilliant idea was it to place the mobile TWG next to my base? Well, anyways, thanks for the points.

Now, circumventing this nice outline of the game by attacking with 5 people and who else is to come is in my humble opinion unhonorable. You disagree? I can live with that. I think, everyone who looks for fights he can't loose is a coward.

And here is this other issue, that I really hate to repeat. We had non aggression agreements with NSK. In fact, I even helped their leader more than once when he himself was attacked. And now he attacks me. This is unhonorable.

Now that we have established that at least some of the members of your alliance are unhonorable, here is the next step:

If you are in an alliance, again, my humble view is, that you take over responsability for what other people in your alliance do. Some of your alliance are unhonorable ergo the alliance is unhonorable.

Kick them out or leave the alliance on moral grounds and I will gladly say that you are an honorable player. For now: the Triumvirat is a bunch of cowards that are to dumb to get points without calling in help.

And maybe you want to read the rules briefly. Do you really think I care if you too join in the attack? I can't win this, not against 5, not against 17 either. I couldn't care less if you join this bunch of morons or not.

Just try to be a bit smarter, you are still loosing points.

[STARDOOM]

Excuse me...there are several things that you said that tell me you didn't understand what I was tryng to say to you. I have a small agenda of topics to cover in this message:

Topic #1: First of all, Don't call me a retard. I thought that if I would provide a chance to redeem yourself you would sieze it and revoke you insult from My Former alliance. The Survivors of Aiur. The S.O.A. may have nerged with the N.S.K. and the Borg Empire...but we are not the same. We simply joined to utilize the transwarp network. I gave you a chance to revoke the insult from my former alliance and my current under officers...if you should so call them. I still maintain control over the members that once were part of my alliance.(The S.O.A.) now these men are under my orders not to attack you or your friend!

Topic #2: You continue to insult the honor of myself and my Survivors.

[concour]

We are The Borg Empire making about 1/3 of the Triunvirate allaince. We have been found as weak and dishonerable, you are unworhty of assimulation, you will be destroyed, and slaughtered.

[Aphrael]

I think i have to make clear some things-
if you are not dishonorable you shouldnt be insulted. Thing is, a part of Triumvirate is attacking us, so let's say the swedish empire and the NSK part of Triumvirate. But you are all under the same flag, so it's hard to tell the difference.

You really shouldn't take it personal.

HONOR in my opinion has to do with bravery. I guess nobody minds being attacked one by one. Attacking somebody within a few hours with 4 or 5 people- to "destroy" and "slaughter" -which is anyway ridiculous- isn't brave, you don't have to be very clever doing this, just have got enough material.

Sharing the very useful Transwarp- Network is a great thing, sharing bad reputation not.

Do you actually think, what they are doing is honorable, is brave?

We didn't adress you personally, did we? I just don't understand- you found a new alliance, made of three former alliances, give it a new name- how should anybody know, who belongs to which part?

So just one third is attacking, 9 out of 17 is uhm.... more than half?

I am deeply sorry, part of your alliance has a bad smell, is acting dastardly. You are all sailing under the same flag, how can, how should I know, that you are different?

[Aphrael]

Concour
slaughter, destroy, excuse me, where is the sense in that? ive got a base in this game, ive got 5000 people, i can rebuild everything, takes maybe some time, but if you destroy and slaughter, i am not out of the world.

I can delete my account, get a new one, a new name and a new first goal on my list of things to do.

by the way, why are you getting mad about being called weak, cowardish and dishonorable? If you are not why not just ignore?

[Guest]

i am a member of said T^3. i belive it is unfair to complain because you wish to keep your numbers small while you could, and still can fill your ranks and gather supporters to help. i do disagree with Leader of NSK who did not notify you of a breack in non agression because even know he is of new allance the NSK is but rebonr and true friends should not be thrown away like a used rag once they no longer prove nessary or useful. look at the Japanise i don't think i like what they did in ww2 but they warned us before attacking and that is honorable.

[Vision]

Stardoom:

I actually think, you may be right in one point. I do not have the right to call you retarded. This was indeed an attack on your person and not on your style of playing. I got carried away by my liking my own rethoric, I do apologize for that.

now back to the better part:
no, I do not agree that you simply share the transwarp network. You also share the name and thus the blame. Your position is inconsistent. On the one hand you feel attacked when I attack the cowards of T^3, on the other hand you say, you are not part of it. Look at your website. It clearly states some sort of union, not only a business agreement. So basicly my position remains: T^3 is a bunch of unhonorable cowards. The right way out for you is to leave the alliance or share the blame.

I did not have any troubles with SOA, I do not insult them. I do have little respect for T^3 and I couldn't care less where people came from.

No, you did not prevent a gangbang on me. I am attacked by 5 or maybe 6 people from T^3. This is a gangbang. You may have prevented an even bigger gangbang. Big deal. Lets face it, what can T^3 really do? For now, we made like 5000 points plus. Yes, in the end you probably can destroy my base. Well, I just sit quite for a while until your fleets are gone and then rebuild and be a pain in the neck for the rest of this game. I'll get you or whoever attacks me one by one (and I do not need to gangbang anyone to do so, just outsmart them). And the traitor from NSK is close enough that I can effectively prevent him from ever doing anything useful again.

No, I am not squirming. Where do you see that? I make public an unjustice that I see, I stand to my position that an alliance is unhonorable when a subset of it's members is unhonorable even though you announce an attack of even more players if I don't back of. This is not squirming. In fact, I find that quite heroic in a "laughing in the face of danger" sort of way.

My "bitter sarcasm" as you name it, is in fact not sarcasm but cynism. I am sorry that I didn't earn your respect. Well, let me shortly summarize: my rethoric is impeccable, although it is written in a languange that isn't my native one; my spelling is pretty good; I stand to my values allthough I would gain in the short term if I'd back off, because I rather die standing than live on my knees; I make huge points against an unhonorable gangbang. This doesn't earn your respect? Gee, you are hard to impress.

Finally: thank you for the "voice of peace". Actually, I might have to change another position that I defended before: maybe there is a way that I can fend of 6 players. So far, 8 fleets (and a moblie TWG) came, got their butt kicked and went again. The 9th will die in 10 minutes. I am not interested in a peace offer. I will hunt down anyone who participated in this gangbang. There is nooooo way in hell, that the traitor from NSK will save himself in a peace. I repeat: what can you really do? You can destroy my base. Well, I just wait a little while and build it up again. You can't destroy me, read the rules.


I repeat: the right way out for you is to leave T^3, they are an unhonorable bunch of cowards.


Concour:
Borg Empire? Assimilation? Slaughter?
~shakes head in disbelieve~
wake up, change your pants and get a life

Anon:
thanks for your kind words. You are a member of an unhonorable alliance. The right way out is to leave them. If you need help, I can not offer to take you into SCD, but I can give you advice and help if you are being gangbanged on. So leave them now.



[ This Message was edited by: Vision on 2004-11-16 13:13 ]

[mjx1]

THIS IS OUTRAGOUS!!! WHY IF MY ALLIANCE WASNT TOO BUSY ATTACKING BALROGS WE WOULD JOIN IN.

remember we're still neutra tho

[Star Commander]

Well you have help from me mate i said when i had 3 time i would and MJX1 i try and get him to help he in my alliance i send a couple fleets round one of there planets most probally concour or El Curvo either one they will face EVIL in ther face

Greetz,
Star Commander

[zombie02]

who cares about honner you wont get much with the fights and wars always happening

greets

nights

[fleetleader]

I didn't I was attacking scd, so after i read this i pulled off my second attack. I am sorry.

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[Guest]

to let every one know when alliances merge some previous ties are broken because of comand decisions the so called non agressions treaty was broke the day that the triumvirate was made and maybe some other treaties as well but who knows cause i sure dont