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Forum Topic about this ship |
| blackmagic: |
There is no use to it. Is like a destroyer with 1 ap and get killed=) |
| Tofu: |
Bad against Destroyers.
Moderate against Fighters.
Good in combination (Troika,...)
Maybe to good with a Hammer and other supporing ships.
Fun against other Kinetic Deflector Ships.
I´m not quite sure if the mp are balanced, but something between 8-12 should be ok.
Note: This posting by JaM is kind of interesting for the K.D.Ship: http://forum.spacetrace.com/viewtopic.php?topic=1835&forum=16&15 |
| Tofu: |
@blackmagic:
It destroys 10 Fighters or did i do a mistake with the battlesyntax? |
| JaM: |
@tofu why?
And the damage must be higher, because even against the eagle it isn't very useful.
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| Tofu: |
This Ship is designed against class 1. Used in combination with mobile repair bot/ shield generator or plasma emitters, a single K.D.Ship could destroy lots of fighters. If the enemy uses a hammer, it will do 1 damage to an opponents class 1 ship, if he uses sabotage fighters, it will do 1 damege for each of them, if he uses holo fleet carriers, the K.D.Ship will do lots of damage (if the holoprojections have the f-command). There may be some good combinations with troikas and/or graze reactors against mixed class 1/2 fleets. |
| JaM: |
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On 2003-09-07 13:56, Tofu wrote:
This Ship is designed against class 1. Used in if he uses holo fleet carriers, the K.D.Ship will do lots of damage (if the holoprojections have the f-command).
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No, according to the manual not:
holo fighter
holo destroyer
holo cruiser
holo mothership
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| mackman: |
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On 2003-09-07 15:52, darklim wrote:
This ship is weak and too expensive
The Destroyers is better to fight class 1
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WHA? Darklim the destroyers suck for fighting class 1.Eagles are better for fighting class 1.
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| Tofu: |
Ok, ok, you don´t like my invention. :)16
The next one will be better. :grin:
P.S.: At last i found the holo fighter in the manual (it´s not in the search function). Is there another way to find it exept the Quicksearch? |
| JaM: |
There are many secrets hidden in SpaceTrace, which will be only showed to those who read the ENTIRE forum. :)20
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| darklim: |
In Comparation of this ship
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| admin: |
it`s a new idea - i like it.
if this ship fights against fighters, it will destroy 10 fighters in any case before it`s destroyed.
the holo-ships of the holo-fleet-carrier are supposed to not fight, so that tactic is no way :)24
but there are some nice combinations possible :)22 |
| Achilles: |
I agree that this is a good ship. I think that most people have misread the initial description, and that is why it's vote is so low. I would use this invention. :)12 |
| Rubens: |
well, i never vote. but now i can understan. detsroyer vs eagle. with a hammer can be letal.
1 hammer 20 eagles 5 wasp 20 this invent.
1 fightr 20 destroyer.
If this invent attack first, so the destroyers can be 10/7, so only 1 eagle can destroy the destroyer.
vs troiaks. With mant of this ship and eagles. u can destroy many troik modules.
Yes sound good. but i think is best if have a cost of 50 and do that midifies to ll class 2 ship in the both fleets or only in the nemy fleet. But well is good. but no totally i think |
| Tofu: |
Maybe, the Disable Ship should affect the Kinetic Deflector Ship? I think, this should be thought over. |
| darklim: |
Sorry, Admin...
This ship need some change: Affect both fleet
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| Rubens: |
ajaj, darklim are ridht, is hammer class2, i think is best i fmodifie both fleets |
| admin: |
darklim, why do you think it should affect both fleets?
i think it is a nice disadvantage for the hammer :wink:
@ruben: hammer is class 1 |
| Rubens: |
@admin: i am rubenS!!! and i know, for that i say THIS SHIP IS A HAMMER CLASS 2, BECAUSE A STANDARD HAMMER IS CLASS 1. and what is the problem if is a disadvantage to the hammer? is best because u have a counter-fleet with a hammer!!!
darklim is right, both fleet 8 mp, and affected by the disable ship |
| JaM: |
You have a lot of guts to get mad at the admin :)19, the one who has the power.
But I don't think this ship is a class 2 hammer, a hammer modifies both fleets on his turn. This modifies enemy's ships when it is shot. See the difference?
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| Rubens: |
jam!!!! jaja sorry admin, i know he is the best but i dont really care, see jam, Draklim say is best if modifie BOTH fleets so if it is aprobbed!!!!! is hammer class 2 or not?. And i know how use a hammer... (only i want say that) :grin: |
| JaM: |
Darklim complains the whole time. But IF it modifies both fleets it is still not a hammer. A hammer modifies ALL SHIPS of both fleets ON ITS TURN.
This ship modifies 10 SHIPS of (both / enemy) fleet(s) WHEN IT IS HIT
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| Rubens: |
see jam (no sea enrollen maldita sea? i only want say this ship is hammer class 2 but no exacrly(osea se parece a un hammer) the point is need will be accepted |
| blackmagic: |
Lets see i my criticing can make any changes. Well for starters I still think this ship doesn't have much use.
Scenario 1:
Now you goes say it is good against class one, but in actuality it is not. If it had 10 Mp and for each fighter that shoots at it gets destroyed and recieves 1 damage, then it is pratically useless because the totalling amount of points is 0. Say you lower the MP Then may be, but here is the other Con.
Scenario 2:
Spacetrace is filled with special ability ships such as the sporator, commando fighter, and intruder. Well, when combined with fighters, it becomes a deadly fleet. Now imagine a fleet with a sporator against a couple of Tofu's invention won't be a pretty picture. The sporator will soup up the fighters to 1/2, meaning that Tofu's invention will have to shoot twice to destroy it. See wat i mean
Well, my sister wants to go play so g2g. Later =)
Blackmagic of Shadowball
-The Invention Critic =P |
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