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this vote will decide about the future of this invention: |
this can be added to the game |
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it needs some changes but it is a good invention |
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i will post the needed changes here |
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no good try another one |
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tec_server Technology Bot

Joined: 04 Nov 2002 Posts: 1746
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:09 am Post subject: holo-generator v2.0 |
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holo-generator v2.0 (class 1 ship)
this ship projects 1 holo-mothership in the enemies fleet.
attack/life: 0/1
manpower: 15
researchtime: 1 d
buildingtime: 12 h
e-ray-technology
needed research:
holo technology
battle details:fights
(battle engine syntax: f)
creates 1 holo mothership in the enemy fleet in class 4
battlemessage: "holo-generator projects ... ships"
(battle engine syntax: create,enemy,1,4,holo mothership,holo-generator projects) |
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Cloudgatherer 2nd Rear Admiral


Joined: 29 Dec 2011 Posts: 177 Location: Florida, USA
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:17 am Post subject: |
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I dont like the name, but I couldn't think of anything else at the time. I will though.
This ship is really useful when encountering "anchored" fleets. (fleets that have no c4) In particular it is good against anchored Penguin fleets. (Penguins only recycle, like they are suppost to, if there is a c4 class battle) |
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spacetrace Board Admin


Joined: 24 Dec 2001 Posts: 1624
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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the penguin recycle thing is considered as a bug and will be fixed for next era. (sorry for that dear penguin lovers )  |
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ncaries 1st Rear Admiral


Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 252
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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whats the bug? _________________ “All war is deception.” |
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Senor Admiral


Joined: 12 Nov 2003 Posts: 1114 Location: estonia
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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penguins don't recycle if there is no c4 battle.
i know to us oldies its more of a feature than a bug, but i agree it should be changed to penguins always recycle. it will greatly reduce their effectiveness, but i think its for the balance. |
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ncaries 1st Rear Admiral


Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 252
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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mmh, i like these strange features in the game, its like driving an old car or living an old house: its not always as it should be, but it provides something special.
and as our dutch soccer-god johan cruyff said:
"each advantage has its disadvantage"  _________________ “All war is deception.” |
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spacetrace Board Admin


Joined: 24 Dec 2001 Posts: 1624
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:14 am Post subject: |
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mmmh ic... it's one of these fun things i like it too...
if there is a way that we can balance it out, we could keep it... just let me think .... |
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Stratagon 1st Lieutenant


Joined: 22 Dec 2011 Posts: 45
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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how abount adding this one and this one http://www.spacetrace.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7333 to some planet ?
i like it that they are opoosing each other somehow... _________________ JG 472 Störche ... delivered with love ♥ ♦ ♣ 🂡
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spacetrace Board Admin


Joined: 24 Dec 2001 Posts: 1624
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:02 am Post subject: |
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how about adding this feature to the holo generatore 1.0 ? |
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vyor 1st Rear Admiral

Joined: 11 Feb 2011 Posts: 218
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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nah, wouldnt work as intended. This has a very narrow use. You dont want the opponenthave more class 1 if its a penguin fleet. |
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Cloudgatherer 2nd Rear Admiral


Joined: 29 Dec 2011 Posts: 177 Location: Florida, USA
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:57 am Post subject: |
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Well, really, if it was added to the H-Gen v1.0, it would combat the problem of non-recycling Pengs, BUT, it would then be a C2, which opens a whole new bucket of worms. (You may remember my opinions on "anchored" fleets) That stirs up familiar feelings in me; like it's catering to anchored fleets. Like penalizing a person for the OPPONENTS LACK of C2, C3 and C4, because if you attack an anchored C1 fleet with a fleet of all classes, your c2, c3 and c4 wont get a turn. Only if you leave your C1 empty. Thats really what I was trying to target with this invention. It was originally going to create Holo-Destroyers and do for C2 combat what the current Holo-Gen does for C3 combat, but, while I was creating it, I sort of figured I could kill two birds with one stone and still achieve my desired results just by making it project a C4 instead of C2. Actually, thinking about it further, if anything, it would actually do the job of the v1.0 aswell, all in one package.
Maybe it should replace the v1.0? That way there isn't a need for multiple niche ships, and likewise, you would only have to add ONE ship of the same nature to the other side of the race wheel.
It feels like your (spacetrace) suggestion comes in lue of the recycling Peng discusson, like you're trying to save that mechanic/bug by tweaking the Holo-Gen. Which isin't nescessarily a bad thing, that is entirely up to ya'll. I totally understand it's one of those little features you guys have come to really like and I certainly don't want to be the one to ruin it for everyone. I posted my opinion on that in your new poll thread. _________________
"One of God's own rejects. Some sort of high-powered mutant, not even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, but too rare to die." |
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spacetrace Board Admin


Joined: 24 Dec 2001 Posts: 1624
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:21 am Post subject: |
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didn't saw the hg is class 2 ...
it should be class 1 , making 10 holo cruisers and one holo ms.
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Cloudgatherer 2nd Rear Admiral


Joined: 29 Dec 2011 Posts: 177 Location: Florida, USA
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds reasonable to me.
That and, shouldn't there should be a similar ship for the races that cant research E-Ray tech? Maybe I will invent that now. _________________
"One of God's own rejects. Some sort of high-powered mutant, not even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, but too rare to die." |
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spacetrace Board Admin


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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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if there are no vetos i would add the modified holo generator to the tec tree (science recycle methods) at the end of the era. |
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admin Board Admin


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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:47 am Post subject: |
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yes, that modification is good |
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admin Board Admin


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