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Should Cheating Alliance Be Fined and If so, How Much ?
Fine should be less Than 11% of total Alliance Score
13%
 13%  [ 2 ]
Fine should be less than 51% of Alliance Score
20%
 20%  [ 3 ]
Alliance Score is Reset to 0 points
26%
 26%  [ 4 ]
Individual Offender is Punished...T.B.D.
13%
 13%  [ 2 ]
No punishment is required
26%
 26%  [ 4 ]
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 Post Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:08 am    Post subject: Should CGC Alliance Be Fined?
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With the indisputable, witnessed, admitted by the leader, case of 1 player using 2 accounts to aid their alliance score, how and what should the punishment be ?

My suggestion is a "Fine" of points. It should be talked about not only for this event but future events that happen.

Please cast a vote and add further suggestions to possible "punishment" that is merited out.

Remember, we want, and encourage people to play fair and by the rules..not force them to leave the game.
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 Post Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:41 pm    Post subject:
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no punishement is required, cause they were not cheating, just bending the rules.

from now on it is cheating to use the old account to help the new one
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 Post Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:05 pm    Post subject:
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I hope I am treated with the same compassion if I just "Bend" the rules a little.
Regardless...how will offenders be dealt with ?

EDIT - Let us please keep this poll on topic. Will Mods please edit topic title to delete specific alliance names If I am unable to ?
Also, Please move everything below this post to another reopened thread entitled "Censored"?


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 Post Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:08 pm    Post subject:
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, the guy multies, his team mates agree he cheated, the whole community agrees he cheated and you say he bent the rules?

they share accounts, your say they bent the rules?

good thing you only have 2 rules... and they broke both of them.

why call them rules if you're going to be so subjective about them? this is the same story as shade all over, only this time nobody else thinks its cute either.

then you wonder why games player list becomes smaller by the day.

honest now, how much do these punks "donate" that buys your game?
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 Post Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:45 pm    Post subject:
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How come i got banned for flaming, when people are spamming and deleting topics and cheating and dont even get fined points?
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 Post Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:10 pm    Post subject:
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you know admin isn't the only one who has the ability to take points from CGC...
If you want them punished so bad, then everybody has a good chance to do it themselves.

I mean i hate CGC just as much as the next guy, and that's exactly why I agree that if another alliance had done this then the public reaction would not have been this bad. CGC has become the anti-heroes of Spacetrace and for that you can only blame their leaders arrogance and agressiveness. That's why they will always recieve more judgment than another alliance would.
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 Post Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:44 pm    Post subject:
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admin wrote:
no punishement is required, cause they were not cheating, just bending the rules.

from now on it is cheating to use the old account to help the new one

More then 2 accounts is cheating , not bending the rules bang head bang head bang head bang head
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 Post Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:56 pm    Post subject:
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admin wrote:
no punishement is required, cause they were not cheating, just bending the rules.

from now on it is cheating to use the old account to help the new one


i am really surprised and cannot believe it. argue argue argue argue
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 Post Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:19 pm    Post subject:
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Admin plz find someone else to lead TF , I'm not in the mood to do this anymore . I can tell all members take 8 accounts and learn the game a bit quicker admin won't do sh!t about , so cheat and multi as much as you can .
I deleted Master of twilight account
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 Post Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:21 pm    Post subject:
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I am really quite amazed at this decision as well.


However... the intent of this topic is to evoke response from the ST community as to what a reasonable punishment should be in the event of cheating.
I think points should be stripped completely from the offending alliance

This is all moot however if nobody will enforce it .
IMO this is a very dangerous decision/precedence admin has made.
It opens the gate to all sorts of abuses.
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 Post Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:45 pm    Post subject:
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sorry, i think i got it wrong,

of cause someone is punished if he is cheating,
it is just behind my might to find out who and how he cheated,

you have to tell me and i will do what's needed

when i said no punishement needed, i didnt know all the facts, i just found out, that dragonlilly was not cheating.

who was cheating now? again can youtell me in a few words? cause i don have time to read too much in the forum. i have to work also
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 Post Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:50 pm    Post subject:
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and be aware of this:

using the old account to help the new one was not cheating!

it is now but we never said that before anywhere

so noone can be punished for that
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 Post Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:07 pm    Post subject:
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Sorry Admin but this a bit weak isn't it .
ALL CGC is saying he used 2 accounts by accident , Low entered DL's account by accident allot of accidents happening to CGC . and No Sparks I'm not reffering to you I told Marlito yesterday I couldn't believe you did this and proof came you didn't . also Badu didn't . Arari multied . Low , DL , and Breon shared accounts wich is not allowed .
Now Admin it your Job to handle this properly . and still the defence of DL's base wasn't cheating . Ok with me but the use of 2 accounts is cheating . But for the rest I don't care what you decide harm has been done allready I accidently created an 2th account wich is on course of an attack , but I'm not ussing my first account so it is not cheating only bending the rules a bit
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 Post Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:43 pm    Post subject:
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admin wrote:
and be aware of this:

using the old account to help the new one was not cheating!

it is now but we never said that before anywhere

so noone can be punished for that


maybe you overlooked it in the topic dl deleted, but the motherhsip of his old account was moved after he create the new one. So he not only benefited from his old account's fleet still existing but he also logged back into it.

And did you looked into what mare found with the multihunting tools?
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 Post Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:02 pm    Post subject:
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Let me summarize for you.

DL needs to be banned (sharing accounts, attempting to cover evidence by deleting relevant topics)

Mii should get all his points striped of him (multy)

CGC's score should be set back by 15k (score gained thought illegal actions of DL, Mii and perhaps others who shared accounts)
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 Post Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:14 pm    Post subject:
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yes there have to be some punishment, cause they relocked into the account after they start a new one. that´s the point.

i will not say something about DL, cause her behaviour in this great game pushed my blood-pressure very high.

fact is, that there are vets, who will leave this game cause adim is doing not much enough punishment.
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 Post Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:35 pm    Post subject:
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Admin...If I may summarize for you.

Arari reached end of evo and built 2 fleets and sent them to FC (Dragon Lilly).
Arari Started a new account and did not delete his old account. Otherwise his fleets would have disappeared or been recalled to his former base.
Arari had 2 fleets stored as flag defence at FC.
Arari then formed a new account (Mii of Wii) and played with Mii account for a few days.
As I was constantly watching the CGC leader via DSP I started to do attack run on CGC leader's /FC base. When I was about 1 hour out from attack, Arari's fleet moved out of harms way. There is no way this could happen on it's own. As a matter of fact, I strongly suspect CGC leader logged into Arari's account with sole purpose to move single mothership away from my attack.
Although I have no proof DL logged into Arari's account, the fact remains that someone DID and moved the remaining ships out of harms way in an account that had been closed( or should have) for almost a week.

DSP scans made and sent out to alliance mates when this happened can confirm this if they have not been deleted from archives.

The multihunter team could verify sharing of accounts but regardless, Arari had 2 active accounts at the same time with a good 5 days overlap.

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Your decision has certainly ruffled a few feathers within the game and some people now see this game as "FIXED" or loaded.
As a result, you are going to lose some honest, helpful old players.
Your decision has insulted many people who have helped make this game what it is.
I may be included. I have yet to decide !
Sorry I cannot make it any shorter post and still convey what happened.
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 Post Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:38 pm    Post subject:
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I think it almost insulting that admin has taken these steps.. sure, for us, the 'real' players of ST, will never multy...

..but this is hardly good advice for the remainder of ST's community!

Now they will think that the rules don't apply to them either!


No, steps HAD to be taken, and they weren't. I haven't been this dissapointed since I found out Elvis Pressley died sitting on his bathroom toilet.


And as for you DragonLilly! I stand by everything T2 says.

You are an atrocity to this game and you had NO RIGHT to delete those posts.



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 Post Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:51 pm    Post subject:
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admin wrote:
and be aware of this:

using the old account to help the new one was not cheating!

it is now but we never said that before anywhere

so noone can be punished for that


Please Admin...look at what you posted and then think back a few years ago to the PFIU /-TO- War.

There was a big outcry when I (me personally) at the end of my evo (98%) sent all my fleets to protect flag. I deleted my account and then started a new one. The outcry was that I did this and from that action Admin imposed a rule where whenever an account was deleted, remaining ships were also destroyed. It was stated that time I was CHEATING and new restrictions imposed on the game. At least I deleted my old account before making a new one which is more than Arari did .
Now, if I was CHEATING then..what to hell do you call this !
Rule bending????? Come on.... lets be honest and call a spade a spade.
It was blatant cheating !
It's your game and you can make the rules as you go along if you want but at least be consistant about them.
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 Post Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:50 pm    Post subject:

Hello Admin and ST players,

First I am the player that played both of my accounts. New Evo and Old Evo.

Second it says when dominion enslaves your planet that you can start a new account.

When I went in my old account somethings were gone an some were not. I could move my fleets but not adjust them. I could look at my DSPs but not rebuild them.

Later that night I created a new account thinking that when I did that in a few days the spacetrace program would delete my old account.

So later in the week my account was still there so I went back in the first account and I saw that my 2 fleets were still there so I moved them to my fcs planet. No big deal. I figured it was ok since I was not attacking anyone just defending the Alliance FC. I thought this was ok because Senor sent his fleets at my planet when he evoed out.

They must have done their job otherwise people would not be crying for points.

Sunday I desided I would have to delete the account myself but it would let me so I was in out out of it a couple times trying to do this. Finally I left the alliance and it let me delete.

Hey TOC did you ever figure out where you got your 4000+ points on Sunday?

So yes I played two accounts but one was evoed. Did not see where it said I couldn't?

Admin I was locked into the account without knowing that it was the Lack of our alliance flag that was doing it. But I had evoed out correctly letting Dominion destroy my planet before I started the new account.

So your new alliance rules are working correctly and the penalty has already been applied.

Thanks for the great game. I am sorry I messed up my first evo and caused all this chaos for you.

I do not see how the old account helped the new one it only hurt the alliance.

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