shipyard buildingtime poll

[admin]

how long should the production of a new shipyard be if it is destroyed?

there are some discussions going on about the problem, that it is frustrating, if your shipyard is destroyed very often

here.
http://www.spacetrace.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=82522

and here:
http://www.spacetrace.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=81902

[admin]

please discuss this here:

[T2]

If you do 1 building, might as well reduce build time on them all.
It will save a post of the same flavor after someone's research building gets destroyed.

[DragonLilly]

@ admin, just to make sure your aware... the veteran players outnumber the new active players by a long shot... The veteran players feel that there is no need for the game to change and don't see what they are doing for future player counts... they will always argue about any suggestion you put up... I'd say if you think its a good suggestion for the game do it... don't listen to what they have to say... remember they are the ones hurting this game and changes need to happen... if they don't like the changes they can quit but in the end the ST player counts will rise...

[linux666]

it should stay as it is...i've never seen anyone sitting on a destroyed base with 2k of pengs, don't know why this is even being discussed!!!!!
if someone needs help against an attacker ask for help within the alliance, make a peace/help pact with a close neighbour, that's how i started, and met spocko , my closest neighbour, we agreed not to attack eachother,and it worked...then he attacked me!!
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[Failtrip1]

Just remove the buildings I dont see any reason to keep them anyway.they are just interfering with the game play.How are we suppose to get points if we have to get back and watch our bases."duh"
In fact remove all researches,I dont know why they are there,in fact remove all game play as it is and leave only "learning" players in game.I mean they contributed to the game soooooooooo much.

Just look at the last round they end up having over 150 000 points and all those points came from...Oh yes Oh my god,here it comes...newbie accounts and almsot every vet I know finished round under 40 000 points.

Am I the only one to see the irony in this?
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[dumenop]

here's an idea. everyone might hate it, but here it is anyway. i suggest that the SY be indestructable, but that the research center be destructable. dealing 3500 damage to the SY will force the opponent to pay 500 points as a ransom so you won't kill it. so the scoring stays the same and so does the reasearch center, but the SY can't be destroyed. you could do it so if the SY is dealt 3500 then all current ship building is stopped.
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But why male models?

[admin]

it seems to me like this is an argument between two groups of 6 players.

i think both sides say some true things and some nontrue:

1. i think it is a problem to new players, that their shipyard is destroyed and they cannot do anything for 24 h.

2. the so called vets are essential to ST cause they are the main core of the game, they know a lot about the strategic system and how spacetrace is like. without them there would be no big goals to lok upon if you are new to the game, so they have all rights to claim their wishes in the forum.

3. why did noone vote for 23 h?
we changed it to that for now until this discussion is over, cause i think it is essential that you have at least this one hour less than the battlepause

4. my favorite is 12 h

[Jack09]

[DragonLilly]

I won't let things rest until new players and new alliances can finally enjoy this game and not feel picked on constantly...

[dumenop]

if you are so concerned about the well being of the noobs in your alliance, THEN GET OUT OF THE WAR!!!!!!


duh
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[DragonLilly]

if we leave this war it will only happen to another new alliance later down the road... we are defending all future new alliances...

[dumenop]

i don't think XYZ will go hunting newb allys. the fact that you took 1st last era maked the CGC not much of a newb ally anymore. if they're going to pick someone else to fight it will be a different EXPERIENCED ally.
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[DragonLilly]

see the last post on the XYZ/CGC war thread... for a full understanding of what really happened...

[linux666]

[dumenop]

i read it. my point is that you're not being as heroic as you think you are because XYZ isn't all about hunting newbs. now if they did go after a different alliance full of newbs, that wouldn't be cool, but they are finding the weakness in the strong alliance and exploiting it. this is strategy...not abuse. i don't think that the #1 ally last era is probably the best place for newbs to learn the basics of ST. they are bound to get caught up in something far over their heads....and they did. let newbs learn in a learning ally, not the victorious ally of last era
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But why male models?

[admin]

[admin]

this needs a decision

so what about 12 h then?

[Failtrip1]

24 hours Blocked never was a tactic used as long as Ive been around.24 h is enough to get your opponent out of the way and then fly home or maybe to another opponent.Its not everything about cry babies and newbies.24H period hits also a "vet" account same as newbies.
24 hours is penalty you have to take by loosing your base.You cant win otherwise in this game then this. Why punish a guy who has won by letting loser be at your base before BP runs out.Then remove battle pause.There was a reason for 24h building time and I guess it was linked to battle pause.

NOTE:
CGC n..0.0.b sI dont care how you have to learn to us swank to farm dead accounts so dont reply to me in any way.on this matter.You to be honest dont have a single clue how to play and only is looking to in force new things that are maybe good for you now but not for the game in long run.
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[admin]

failtrip, i dont get it:

why should it be 24 hours?

isnt 12 hours a penalty enough?

and it cannot be senseful with the same 24 h like the battlebause, cause you need at least 34h to build something to punish the attacker after his bp is over (24 h the shipyard and then 10 hours your ships) am i wrong?

so 12 or 14 h buildingtime for the shipyard should have the same effect

and it is not about just DL complaining, there were a lot of complaints about the long buildingtime in the past