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this vote will decide about the future of this invention: |
this can be added to the game |
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it needs some changes but it is a good invention |
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i will post the needed changes here |
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no good try another one |
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:44 am Post subject: flak destroyer |
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flak destroyer (class 2 ship)
its flak cannons spray explosive shells indiscriminately into space. it is highly effective against enemy fighters, though friendly fire often occurs. ships suffering such attacks are often annihilated.
as it carries large quantities of explosive ammunition, once the hull is penetrated, the flak destroyer will explode, rendering it beyond repair.
50 c1 ships from each side are destroyed. if the flak destroyer is destroyed, it cannot be repaired.
attack/life: 0/10
manpower: 25
researchtime: 2 d
buildingtime: 14 h
human-technology
needed research:
fanatic warfare
battle details:fights
(battle engine syntax: f)
modifies AP/LP by 0/-15 of 50 ships of any ship-type in both fleets in class 1
battlemessage: "flak fire destroys ... ships"
(battle engine syntax: mod,both,50,1,all,+,0,-15,flak fire destroys)
if this ship gets destroyed it self destructs!
battlemessage: "explosion of flak ammunition renders beyond repair: ... ships"
(battle engine syntax: trigger_destruction@sd,explosion of flak ammunition renders beyond repair:) |
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:51 am Post subject: |
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My first invention... since I was bored and I only have a final tmr... Basically a smaller version of the Spectre for Humans, since Humans and Nanites kind of suffer from not having a good C1 killer in C1. Nanites have the Nano Bomber though, so Humans get this, plus, it's kind of Human themed anyways.
Only thing I'm not sure of is the manpower, could be a too low, too high. I based it a bit off the Spectre, which is kind of a 2:5 ratio for mp to ships killed/damaged. But this one kills, so I made it slightly higher, at 1:2 ratio. I threw in the self-destruct thing since I wasn't sure if the mod command would mod itself or another same ship in your fleet.
mp should be in the 25-40 range? everyone reading this probably has more experience than me anyways, what do you guys think? |
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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i think this ship is to strong... a cyclops with 120 mp do the same with 100 ships but the class 1 is reconstructable after the cyclops strike.
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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I have to dissapoint you guest, a cyclops also destroyes thus maken class 1 unreconstructeble: (battle engine syntax: destroy,enemy,100,1,all,cyclops destroys)
I think the best use for this ship is in situations where you will be fighting class 1 with class 2 (eagle fleet forinstence like guest said). I don't know if it is to powerfull but imagine attacking 1000 class 1 ships with just 20 of these, add shield generators or mobile repair bots and you got an easy battle. Althought blockades will mess this up ![](images/smiles/icon_razz.gif) _________________
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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"if this ship gets destroyed it self destructs! "
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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al12 wrote: | I have to dissapoint you guest, a cyclops also destroyes thus maken class 1 unreconstructeble: (battle engine syntax: destroy,enemy,100,1,all,cyclops destroys)
I think the best use for this ship is in situations where you will be fighting class 1 with class 2 (eagle fleet forinstence like guest said). I don't know if it is to powerfull but imagine attacking 1000 class 1 ships with just 20 of these, add shield generators or mobile repair bots and you got an easy battle. Althought blockades will mess this up ![](images/smiles/icon_razz.gif) |
uh: cyclops kills ARE RECONSTRUCTABLE (with a minor or combat rc).
cyclops (class 3 ship)
sends out a disruptor carrier wave, that destroys 100 class one ships
attack/life: 0/100
manpower: 120
researchtime: 2 d
buildingtime: 13 h
mycilloid-technology
needed research:
improved field theories
battle details:
fights
(battle engine syntax: f)
reduces LP to 0 of 100 ships of any ship-type in the enemy fleet in class 1 but some ships are immune against destruction
battlemessage: "cyclops destroys ... ships"
(battle engine syntax: destroy,enemy,100,1,all,cyclops destroys)
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm Why is everyone changing subject, stay it this ship not at the cyclops ![](images/smiles/icon_razz.gif) _________________
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:13 am Post subject: |
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yeah... ships destroyed by the cyclops are reconstructable
XD and yeah, the self destruct thing is the only thing I could think of that would make it un-reconstructable
would it be better to just make it self-destruct? or increase the mp? |
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:35 am Post subject: |
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I personally HATE the whole "self destruct" thing. U spend all that time building it and then hauling it to the fight... for 1 attack.
And, of course, u dont want to use ships like that in a "Post Evo" fleet...
Id say Up the mp as needed to avoid that effect. |
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Excellent zenachi...the destruction is triggered and the ships Self destructs so it can't be reconstructed, that's really good indeed;)
But even so you can not escape with that trigger of the advantages you have, ok?
0/-15? That's too much man....
Remember you can have a "destroy" function on your ship or a "modify" one.
So if you are going to modify some c1 ships with your c2 ship it should be 0/-1 or 0/-2.
It is too powerful, the mp should be:
Modifying 0/-1 = 90(for me) and maybe more
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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guest wrote: | i think this ship is to strong... a cyclops with 120 mp do the same with 100 ships but the class 1 is reconstructable after the cyclops strike.
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btw... this is more comparable to the spectre instead I would think, since both are in C2.
Increase the mp to 40 would be better? It does only kill half the number the spectre does and the blockade runner is still immune to it ![](images/smiles/icon_razz.gif) |
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Rubens wrote: |
Modifying 0/-1 = 90(for me) and maybe more
Modifying 0/-2 = 135 |
the Spectre does 0/-1 for 400 mp for 1000... this thing is in C2 too
but I think lowering the damage done to -2 would be good... |
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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So, if it is changed to reducing lp to -1 or -2 and stays sd when destryed this is a good ship? I think so, haven't been convinced yet that it is to strong. Because like spectre, cyclops and interseptor it has the same weeknesses which are blockades and evaps. 100 of these vs 100 evpaps is 1300 extra points. Ofcourse these might be harder to see coming at you. _________________
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:31 am Post subject: |
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This ship is not needed, humans can build spectres and nanites can build cyclops, each race has a strong point, if you build this into humans then you might as well make appolos type ships for kazzula. Or better yet don`t have races and we can all build the same stuff?
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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that sounds fun all being the same race ![](images/smiles/icon17.gif) |
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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palfor wrote: | that sounds fun all being the same race ![](images/smiles/icon17.gif) |
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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hey lighten up its only a game
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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I just thought of something. This ship would be very powerfull if you add raptors to it. If it ever was added maybe the mp should go up to 30-40 mp. Imagine hitting the class 1 with these and raptors, there would be no class 1 and class 2 left over. I know how to make this combo even worse but I'm keeping that a secret for if it ever makes it to a pre warp
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:32 am Post subject: |
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flak destroyers + raptors + missile launchers + shield generators
Believe me, I thought about all of that when I invented this. ![](images/smiles/icon20.gif) |
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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Comes close to what I thought, made to do the same ![](images/smiles/icon_smile.gif) _________________
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