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 Post Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 10:20 pm    Post subject: What the hell is this...
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21.05 23:09 From:Investigator of The Travellers
Subject:Multi Investigation
The community detected that you are using multiple accounts and we afirmed that. Please delete all accounts except one. This user's score is reset to zero as warning - del

I've always only used one account. Someone please do an IP scan on me and show me what other accounts I've used...
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 Post Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:18 am    Post subject:
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PLZ give us names from other accounts ? ? ? Otherwise stop < I don't think Zenachi is a multi . So Investigator come and post your reasons with explanation in here
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 Post Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:33 am    Post subject:
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we will find out, please be patient, i have to sleep now, its 3 am here

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 Post Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject:
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Thanks

And thanks for the vote of confidence Connor.
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Still no prove arround this case , I think score should be reset to old score
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 Post Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:21 pm    Post subject:
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There was an old case when mare came up with quite some evidence against one of Zenachi's old accounts. Having multi score in the Hall of Fame is not good so a reset of score was done.

In some way, his old and his new accounts were connected and his new score was reset too. However, when the admin asked Zenachi what his score was before the reset, he lied about it.

I am awaiting admin's latest reply on how this is going to continue.
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So when you Multi in the passed , you can lose your score in future ? ? even if you don't multi in the future anymore , verry weird .
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 Post Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:52 pm    Post subject:
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... That makes no sense. I had no multies before.
And when I was asked about my score, I told the truth. It's very easy to check...
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Looks very fishy to me. And it is also not fare to dubble punnish. If someone stopt multieng why reset his score of now. I also find it hard to believe zenachi multied, how did that proof survive through all that time?
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Wasn't zenachi that pokey pokey guy?
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it was a bug, that he was punished twice.

yes, he was Pokey of Dry Dry Desert
i reset the score of that player now in the highscorelist, as intended.

as i don't know the score before the unfortunate reset of the actual account, i gave zenachi back 20000 points, until we find out the real score he had...
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 Post Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 4:30 pm    Post subject:
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zenachi was pokey of dry dry desert a couple of evo's ago and in that time he was accused of multi-ing. and as member of his alliance i reported him as a multi to have the thing cleared.

this was the answer

30.07 01:09 From:Investigator of The Travellers
Subject:Multi Investigation
Case: Pokey of Dry Dry Desert (zenachi)
Time: 2007-07-24 23:03:05
We as Travellers did not found enough evidence to think this player is a multi.
He is considered as innocent.
Still, we would like to thank you for helping this game be multi-proof. - del


so, what are we talking about? give the guy his points back! And, mr. Robert, i dont know your role in this but please do a better job when taking care of these things, i start doubting you
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 Post Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject:
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Why is there so much ado about this? Apparently, if you finish your old account all the way and you create a new account right after that with the same e-mail address, your accounts are connected to each other.

I guess it would be smart to find out that some things happened by accidence instead of accusing people. I do not see anything fishy.

And zenachi, as you have been convicted for being a multi, I suggest not lying anymore. Not about having been a multi, nor about your score.
You were third place so you could never have had more than 40.000 points.
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Those accounts may be connected by email but you cannot make more then 1 account on the same email. So where is that multy account he supposedly used that was not connected?
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And zenachi, as you have been convicted for being a multi, I suggest not lying anymore. Not about having been a multi, nor about your score.


when, where, by who?
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 Post Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 10:59 pm    Post subject:
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LOL Rob, that's not lying, that's the truth.

I had 58000 points, and I just passed Shade when my score got reset.
I'm sure people can vouch for that, I've been sitting at 52000 for a while, and then I made 6000 points against 3 IG fleets, which you can check in my battle reports. (I've made 10k points since then as well)

And I've never been convicted of being a multi, check the Pokey thread IN THIS FORUM, admin CLEARED me in that incident. Go check if you don't believe me.

So please stop the witchhunt. Thanks.

EDIT: Maybe I should specify, I am The Fourth of the Horsemen. And I still don't know how you could think I was in third place. I was third when Pathfinder was still playing, but I've been ahead of Connor for about a month at least, and barely behind Shade up until now.


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 Post Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 11:10 pm    Post subject:
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admin wrote:
it was a bug, that he was punished twice.

yes, he was Pokey of Dry Dry Desert
i reset the score of that player now in the highscorelist, as intended.

as i don't know the score before the unfortunate reset of the actual account, i gave zenachi back 20000 points, until we find out the real score he had...


... That account was cleared. Check back to the other thread, there was already an investigation where I was cleared. So I'm not sure why this is being brought up now, especially since I don't actually see any of this evidence...
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i was not part of the multihunting team, but if i read this post:
http://www.spacetrace.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5995&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=pokey&start=20

it seems like pokey was innocent, was he?

rob, so why should the points of
zenachis old account be reset?

and can anyone confirm the 58000 points?
i could look in the database from one week ago, but that would be quite a bit of work for me - search in the backup-files
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 Post Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: What the hell is this...
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Mighty wrote:

top 10 players

player score relative
score

1. 2pac of Shakur 56173 80706
2. Ace of Tra©e 23964 73181
3. The Fourth of the Horsemen 49290 72950
4. Z.beeblebrox of jaglan beta 29795 63837



Ok, that was from 5 days ago (Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:31 am) and was posted by Mighty in the "Mighty Permanent Ban" topic.
Hey, look, I was third... on the Relative Score list!

Now, if you check the time that my points were reset, it was May 21, at 11:09pm.

zenachi wrote:
21.05 23:09 From:Investigator of The Travellers
Subject:Multi Investigation
The community detected that you are using multiple accounts and we afirmed that. Please delete all accounts except one. This user's score is reset to zero as warning - del

I've always only used one account. Someone please do an IP scan on me and show me what other accounts I've used...


Below is a list of the battles that took place between Mighty's post and the time my score was reset. I changed the coords, but I left the fleet numbers and the player names so anyone who wants to check can do so easily. There's one player that has disappeared, Heabis of Agerus Secundus, so I don't have the battlereports against him, but it was his base, so I made a bunch of points off him. (3 motherships, penguins vs. destroyers, cruisers vs. penguins, etc)
Now, added all up...

49290 + 3581 = 52871

If you want to know how I made over 5k points off Heabis in 2 days, it was quite easy. The first day I attacked him, I did it with an eagle spam left over from the TO flag attempt. Then after my penguins and emp fighters were built, I sent them over, got the battle pause, and made a bunch of points when my penguin/emp fleet wiped out a bunch of the other fleets the next day.

I can't prove I had 58000 points without the battlereports that are now missing, but I can easily prove I wasn't "third place."

Thanks.


21.05 18:06
your fleet 3 fights against fleet 2 from KennyGar of NewGalactica at XXX/XXX/XX
score: -32

21.05 18:06
your fleet 3 fights against fleet 3 from Kenneth Craig of New Terra at XXX/XXX/XX
score: -58

21.05 18:06
your fleet 3 fights against fleet 1 from KennyGar of NewGalactica at XXX/XXX/XX
score: 74

21.05 18:06
your fleet 3 fights against fleet 3 from KennyGar of NewGalactica at XXX/XXX/XX
score: 2

21.05 15:46
your fleet 2 fights against fleet 3 from KennyGar of NewGalactica at XXX/XXX/XX
score: 171

21.05 15:46
your fleet 2 fights against fleet 2 from KennyGar of NewGalactica at XXX/XXX/XX
score: 179

21.05 15:46
your fleet 1 fights against fleet 3 from KennyGar of NewGalactica at XXX/XXX/XX
score: 5

21.05 15:46
your fleet 1 fights against fleet 2 from KennyGar of NewGalactica at XXX/XXX/XX
score: 35

21.05 15:46
your fleet 2 fights against fleet 1 from KennyGar of NewGalactica at XXX/XXX/XX
score: 715

21.05 15:46
your fleet 1 fights against fleet 1 from KennyGar of NewGalactica at XXX/XXX/XX
score: 61

21.05 15:46
your fleet 1 fights against fleet 3 from Kenneth Craig of New Terra at XXX/XXX/XX
score: 149

21.05 15:46
your fleet 1 fights against fleet 2 from Kenneth Craig of New Terra at XXX/XXX/XX
score: 320

21.05 15:46
your fleet 2 fights against fleet 2 from Kenneth Craig of New Terra at XXX/XXX/XX
score: 285

21.05 15:46
your fleet 2 fights against fleet 3 from Kenneth Craig of New Terra at XXX/XXX/XX
score: 5

21.05 05:29
your fleet 2 fights against fleet 1 from Kenneth Craig of New Terra at XXX/XXX/XX
score: 320

20.05 15:33
your fleet 1 fights against fleet 3 from Kenneth Craig of New Terra at XXX/XXX/XX
score: 378

20.05 15:33
your fleet 1 fights against fleet 2 from Kenneth Craig of New Terra at XXX/XXX/XX
score: 972
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 Post Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject:

Excuse me, but I have put very much work into going through all the old cases in the to-do list. I have examined every single case.
When I stumbled upon the Pokey case, I first read through the forum topic. I looked up the old evidence that mare had send when he made the case.

- It showed resembling offline times with other accounts that he had fought.
- His old account seemed to have been fighting his new account. It looks very weird, but the multi tool does show these battles.

Finally, the case of Pokey was in the to-do list, not in the innocent list. So I don't know where the message from the Investigator in this thread comes from, but it surely did not come from the real Investigator.


Ok Zenachi, your quote from Mighty's post looks reasonable. But this still does not solve the old case.
It was never meant to delete your new score anyways.
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