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 Post Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:20 am    Post subject: Class 2 + 4 against class 3 + 4 - what happens?
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what happens if one player has c2,c4 and the other has c3,c4?

c2 vs c3, c3 vs c4, c4 vs c4
or just
c2 vs c3, c4 vs c4?
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 Post Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:49 am    Post subject:
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I think it is c2 vs c3, c3 vs c4, c4 vs c4.
ab=C2-C4 bc=C3-C4
the ab=class 2 has no class 2 to battle, goes to the next class which is enemy bc=C3. Then class 3 battle happens, no class 3 in ab so bc goes for ab class 4 and then there is the class 4 battle. I hope you understand with the ab and the bc
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 Post Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:47 pm    Post subject:
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that happens: c2 vs c3, c3 vs c4 if the Class 4 survive the Class 3 attack the c4 vs c4 happens too.
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 Post Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:19 pm    Post subject:
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Yeah I thouht it was:

c2 vs c3, c4 vs c4


I don't know where you'd get the added c3 from, one fleet can't attack itself can it? .
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 Post Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:26 pm    Post subject:
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that happens: c2 vs c3, c3 vs c4 if the Class 4 survive the Class 3 attack the c4 vs c4 happens too.


this is thecorrect answer!
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 Post Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:31 am    Post subject:
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i think this was a question which every ne player have... i will have some time about the holidays so i can write something about the basics of the battle system ... but my english is very bad so i will write it in german maybe some one can translate it or write a better description... we will see it after i have post it
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 Post Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:02 am    Post subject:
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If you can write in in basic English, I'd be happy to improve it, but my German isn't that good.

You'd have to ask admin to translate it.
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 Post Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:50 pm    Post subject:
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Could someone list ALL possible outcomes to this...?
that might help...

c3 will fight c4
but c2 will never fight c4???
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 Post Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:38 pm    Post subject:
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no they just fight against their own class. if the enemy doesn´t have that class it will fight against the next higher class.
and in this example there is a no enemy class 2 but a class 3. so they fight class3. but after that they will not fight again. just one time
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i forget. if the enemy has no class2 and 3 your class2 will fight 4
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 Post Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:34 pm    Post subject:
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"what happens if one player has c2,c4 and the other has c3,c4?"

Class 2 vs. Class 3

If the Class 2 destroy the Class 3 only a C4 vs C4 happens when the class 2 NOT destroy the Class 3 the Class 3 Attack the Class 4 if the Class 3 destroy the Class 4 the other Class 4 get no turn but when the class 3 don´t destroy the Class 4 the both Class 4 fight each other
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guest wrote:
"what happens if one player has c2,c4 and the other has c3,c4?"

Class 2 vs. Class 3

If the Class 2 destroy the Class 3 only a C4 vs C4 happens when the class 2 NOT destroy the Class 3 the Class 3 Attack the Class 4 if the Class 3 destroy the Class 4 the other Class 4 get no turn but when the class 3 don´t destroy the Class 4 the both Class 4 fight each other


easiely said:

"A Class fight so long till they meet their own Class if they don´t meet their own Class the will fight higher classes but stops after hitting a class higher."
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 Post Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:51 pm    Post subject:
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Cool:)
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 Post Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:49 am    Post subject:
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Ok, So I had some free time and made this
A list of ALL possible fleet combinations.
This symbol "-" means "vs."
The combinations that have an X at the end are not counted because they are the reverse, therefor the same, as a previous combination...

(c1 vs. c1, c2 is the Same as: c1, c2 vs. c1)
or:
(1-12 is the Same as 12-1)

Now explaining everything that can happen with all these setups is enough to write a 500 freaking page book LOL

Enjoy:)

c1
c1,c2
c1, c3
c1, c4
c1, c2, c3
c1, c2, c4
c1, c3, c4
c1, c2, c3, c4


1-1
1-2
1-3
1-4
1-12
1-13
1-14
1-23
1-24
1-34
1-123
1-124
1-134
1-234
1-1234

12-1 X
12-2
12-3
12-4
12-12
12-13
12-14
12-23
12-24
12-34
12-123
12-124
12-134
12-234
12-1234

13-1 X
13-2
13-3
13-4
13-12 X
13-13
13-14
13-23
13-24
13-34
13-123
13-124
13-134
13-234
13-1234

14-1 X
14-2
14-3
14-4
14-12 X
14-13 X
14-14
14-23
14-24
14-34
14-123
14-124
14-134
14-234
14-1234

123-1 X
123-2
123-3
123-4
123-12 X
123-13 X
123-14 X
123-23
123-24
123-34
123-123
123-124
123-134
123-234
123-1234

124-1 X
124-2
124-3
124-4
124-12 X
124-13 X
124-14 X
124-23
124-24
124-34
124-123 X
124-124
124-134
124-234
124-1234

134-1 X
134-2
134-3
134-3
134-12 X
134-13 X
134-14 X
134-23
134-24
134-34
134-123 X
134-124 X
134-134
134-234
134-1234

1234-1 X
1234-2
1234-3
1234-4
1234-12 X
1234-13 X
1234-14 X
1234-23
1234-24
1234-34
1234-123 X
1234-124 X
1234-134 X
1234-234
1234-1234

c2
c2, c3
c2, c4
c2, c3, c4


2-1 X
2-2
2-3
2-4
2-12 X
2-13 X
2-14 X
2-23
2-24
2-34
2-123 X
2-124 X
2-134 X
2-234
2-1234 X

23-1 X
23-2 X
23-3
23-4
23-12 X
23-13 X
23-14 X
23-23
23-24
23-34
23-123 X
23-124 X
23-134 X
23-234
23-1234 X

24-1 X
24-2 X
24-3
24-4
24-12 X
24-13 X
24-14 X
24-23 X
24-24
24-34 <----
24-123 X
24-124 X
24-134 X
24-234
24-1234 X

234-1 X
234-2 X
234-3
234-4
234-12 X
234-13 X
234-14 X
234-23 X
234-24 X
234-34
234-123 X
234-124 X
234-134 X
234-234
234-1234 X

c3
c3,c4


3-1 X
3-2 X
3-3
3-4
3-12 X
3-13 X
3-14 X
3-23 X
3-24 X
3-34
3-123 X
3-124 X
3-134 X
3-234 X
3-1234 X

34-1 X
34-2 X
34-3 X
34-4
34-12 X
34-13 X
34-14 X
34-23 X
34-24 X <---
34-34
34-123 X
34-124 X
34-134 X
34-234 X
34-1234 X

c4

4-4

120 Total Possible ways
(If Im not missing any...)
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 Post Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:52 am    Post subject:
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Perhaps in theory, but that's not what happens in ST.

1234-23 will never happen, as one will hit two, and then stop, 3 v.s 3, and the class 4 isn't going to fight, because it has no higher thing to hit, and 3 has already fought.
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1234-23 Can and does happen:)
It's just all the classes in these setups may or may not get to fight. All that can go in the book as explaining those particular setups. lol

A lot of these combinations are rather rare to come by.
A combination where both sides have no mothership, usually can only happen because the two fleets had already fought and the motherships were lost, somehow?, And fight Again after they have just sat there for the 24h Battle timmer...

Im pretty sure all of these setups can be achieved.
(and by "achieved" I mean at least 1 class battle will happen...)
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Wait, but, if they have no mothership, there is no class 4 battle (assuming they have no other class 4 ships) so it's not 1234-23, but rather 123-23, as there is no class 4.
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That's correct. Sorry, I was no longer refering to our example.
I was talking about the many other combinations, like 123-23, that have no c4.

such as:
1-1
1-2
1-3
1-12
1-13
1-23
1-123
12-2
12-3
12-12
12-13
12-23
12-123
13-2
13-3
13-13
13-23
13-123
123-2
123-3
123-123
2-2
2-3
2-23
23-3
23-23
3-3
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Would you care to expand on that a little? Crazy How?
If your calling me literally "crazy" I'm going to have to disagree with you.
If your loosely calling me crazy because I've apparently wasted a bit over an hour or so of my life on this topic, I think I may agree with you...
There's a Big difference between these you know.

Does anyone out there have anything "Intelligent " to say about this list?
If not, stop posting about it so we can all "move on" :X
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