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| it needs some changes but it is a good invention |
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tec_server
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 Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:15 pm Post subject: unfinished holo clone |
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unfinished holo clone (class 3 ship)
this ship is like the holo clone ship but then in class 3, it will clone the ship it´s fighting with, but it will also subtract 50 ap of itself, as it needs loads of power to feed the semi unstable clone generator. afterwards it will fight.
attack/life: 0/15
manpower: 30
researchtime: 2 d
buildingtime: 14 h
 human-technology
needed research:
holo technology
battle details:clones the enemy ship that is the actual target
(battle engine syntax: clone)
modifies AP/LP by -50/0 of itself in your own fleet in the same class
(battle engine syntax: mod,self,1,this,itself,+,-50,0)
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Dinskydude
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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This ship was made by MJ and me, over MSN.
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kamekaze6
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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To start with all holo ships are Eray, so it can't be human.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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I forgot to add that:
This technology was taken from the E-rays when a real holo clone ship crashed on Reach(colonized by humans; see Halo), the ship was taken apart, and rebuild to a new ship. But this ship rejected by the Human Council of warfare, and left in the science center where it was made. The science center was destroyed by Myciloyd troops later. After a few hndred years humans dug it up, and started to use it for patrol reasons.
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Dinskydude
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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And if i'm not mistaken, humans can build E-ray techs.
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al12
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, but the holo technology is of the eray. |
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kamekaze6
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While we're at it the humans stole Reconstructor technology from the Mycelloids oh and the Nanites stole EMP technology from the Kazuula and how about the Kazuula in response stole the nano technology. In fact why not delete all races and have everyone build everything?!
I'll tell you why because it would be unbalanced. As you say human can build E-ray tech anyway, But nanites will be able to build this ship and they can't do holo tech. People have tried to roleplay races stealing technology from eachother. There was a suggestion for a human emp vessel which was shot down immediately. It is the difference in races which gives them their unique touch stop trying to change that.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:59 pm Post subject: Re: unfinished holo clone |
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| tec_server wrote: | unfinished holo clone (class 3 ship)
this ship is like the holo clone ship but then in class 3, it will clone the ship it´s fighting with, but it will also subtract 50 ap of itself, as it needs loads of power to feed the semi unstable clone generator. afterwards it will fight.
attack/life: 0/15
manpower: 30
researchtime: 2 d
buildingtime: 14 h
human-technology
needed research:
holo technology
battle details:clones the enemy ship that is the actual target
(battle engine syntax: clone)
modifies AP/LP by -50/0 of itself in your own fleet in the same class
(battle engine syntax: mod,self,1,this,itself,+,-50,0)
fights
(battle engine syntax: f) |
OK the "disadvantage" is non-existant as the thing HAS no ap to reduce 50 of *doh*...or would it reduce 50 ap of "itself" after cloning something else since it would no longer be "itself" (and using that syntax).
So this thing is the same as the clone cruiser already found on nanolaure...but being so low on mp cost, is also very unbalanced (against almost any possible combination of c3) correct???
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| kamekaze6 wrote: | While we're at it the humans stole Reconstructor technology from the Mycelloids oh and the Nanites stole EMP technology from the Kazuula and how about the Kazuula in response stole the nano technology. In fact why not delete all races and have everyone build everything?!
I'll tell you why because it would be unbalanced. As you say human can build E-ray tech anyway, But nanites will be able to build this ship and they can't do holo tech. People have tried to roleplay races stealing technology from eachother. There was a suggestion for a human emp vessel which was shot down immediately. It is the difference in races which gives them their unique touch stop trying to change that. |
No,, they can't build it, as they can't resarch holo technology.
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Dinskydude
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| Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: unfinished holo clone |
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| DavAlan wrote: | | tec_server wrote: | unfinished holo clone (class 3 ship)
this ship is like the holo clone ship but then in class 3, it will clone the ship it´s fighting with, but it will also subtract 50 ap of itself, as it needs loads of power to feed the semi unstable clone generator. afterwards it will fight.
attack/life: 0/15
manpower: 30
researchtime: 2 d
buildingtime: 14 h
human-technology
needed research:
holo technology
battle details:clones the enemy ship that is the actual target
(battle engine syntax: clone)
modifies AP/LP by -50/0 of itself in your own fleet in the same class
(battle engine syntax: mod,self,1,this,itself,+,-50,0)
fights
(battle engine syntax: f) |
OK the "disadvantage" is non-existant as the thing HAS no ap to reduce 50 of *doh*...or would it reduce 50 ap of "itself" after cloning something else since it would no longer be "itself" (and using that syntax).
So this thing is the same as the clone cruiser already found on nanolaure...but being so low on mp cost, is also very unbalanced (against almost any possible combination of c3) correct??? |
1. Mmmh, couldn't find a holo cruiser...
2. It would take off the AP after cloning, and yes, it might be a bit unbalanced with plasma gunships, but hey, that's life, it's the same with the buildable holo clone thingy vs a couple of plague ships : they infect ur whole fleet. i think it's just luck you need to score points with this.
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al12
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | No,, they can't build it, as they can't resarch holo technology. |
humans can resarch holo clone technology because they can resarch eray technology. have a look in the manual. |
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Dinskydude
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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 I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT HUMANS, BUT BOUT NANITES!!!  
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That's why i quoted.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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So basically Kazuula can't build it?!
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| Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: unfinished holo clone |
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1. Mmmh, couldn't find a holo cruiser...
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Since Dave lacks of time I took the liberty to post this....
clone cruiser (class 3 ship)
this ship make a clone of the enemy ship. T
attack/life: 0/100
manpower: 90
researchtime: 1 d
buildingtime: 12 h
e-ray-technology
needed research:
holo technology
battle details:
clones the enemy ship that is the actual target
battlemessage: "clone cruiser clones ... ships"
(battle engine syntax: clone,clone cruiser clones)
—> Forum Topic about this ship
darklim: Someone explain me: the cloned ships will be you ship or the enemy ship?? (In this syntax)
JaM: It is your ship.
masterp: is it cloned only for the actual battle?
Dragonspawn: isnt there already a ship like this?
JaM: Yes it is only for the actual SUBbattle, and yes there is a ship like this in class 2 for the e-rays: holo-clone-ship
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:31 am Post subject: |
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Perhaps I misread the syntax and description but....this ship self-destructs just before it goes to actual battle.
By subtracting 50 lp from a 15 lp ship, it's really dead...unreconstructable dead...so dead, there is not a piece big enough to even detect.
Also...it is way too light to be a c3 ship.
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T2
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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So right Failtrip1. Fresh eyes after sleep does make a difference. Funny...I double checked before I posted as well.
Can a ship have negative AP ? |
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Dinskydude
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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er no, so what? ships without AP, that are cloned, will just do the effect they used to do.
btw, T2, your number of posts is evil:
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lol 
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