next round

[spacetrace]

you can read the manual now. A lot of new features of next round can be found there.

But we still need some more inventions

(check out the new race system)

[admin]

and we also need some pictures for example for the flying saucer

(the best would be if they are free of copyrights like the other pictures we have )

[Dougster]

Gee, I like it a lot, but I think you may have gone a bit overboard with the racial specific stuff. Interceptors racial specific yikes!!

[admin]

but there are always two races from which you can study the technology too but with an about 4 times longer researchtime.
anyway, the interceptor is kazuuula and the carrier is nanite-technology. so everyone can get the interceptors in a way

[Dougster]

Like um the nanites can build carriers, but first have to study interceptors (kazuula) but the humans can build nanite tech (carrier) but cant do the necessary study???

[spacetrace]

ic , still some work to do...

but i think we have some time left

[Lord Philemon]

When I saw the manual first I thought it couldn't be true that every ship is race-specific. But now when I think of it it might be quite fun (although it is quite complicated...). It will make the different tactics depend on the races.
However I think a researchtime like 8 or 11 days is too long...

[ This Message was edited by: Lord Philemon on 2002-08-26 21:38 ]

[Dougster]

I am inclined to think that only the 'new' ships should be race specific, I think a lot of players will make a mistake with there race choices otherwise.

I would also suggest that rather than have huge research times for individual craft in another races specific ships, that you should do a research on that race in general, ie. Nano Technology 1A 6 Days and then the rest of the research is as normal. I notice you have removed interceptors from the humans in the battle engine, but have kept carriers, this still dont make a lot of sense to me, as they were both tech planet discoveries.

[spacetrace]

- races:
i don't think that players will make a mistake when choosing their race, we will try to balance them all (and i think it's quite ok right now)

but you right, the experienced players have more problems with their choices because they wanna play their combinations they liked, so maybe some players won't be able to find the fitting race easily, but on the other hand i think we will gain a lot of 'flavor' and atmosphere.
the race characteristica is much more interesting now.

research times:
some research times are very high but first: the race specific research times are exacvt the same as before.
from the other races the times are higher, but many are moderate like others for example:
e-rays


own stuff (for example):
shield generator
AP/LP: 0/2
R:1 d B:10 h
MP:4

time slipper
AP/LP: 250/300
R:2 d B:20 h
MP:1000

= like before

foreign stuff:

multi-emp-vessel
AP/LP: 0/10
R:2 d 9 h B:12 h
MP:14

mosquito
AP/LP: 0/3
R:3 d 12 h B:11 h
MP:1


(this is longer but not too long)

and some stuff is really long to research, for example:
prophet
AP/LP: 4000/1
R:8 d B:12 h
MP:150

mantis
AP/LP: 0/100
R:11 d B:16 h
MP:350

before you research stuff like this you really need to decide, but in the end it's the players decision. And it is fun to have stuff to research until the end of round. If you ask me personally as a player i think the tec-trees are balanced, but maybe we should ask more players


-interceptor - carrier

you are right it is not logical so we will change the name of the carrier-interceptors to: killer drones


[ This Message was edited by: spacetrace on 2002-08-27 12:17 ]

[admin]

i think humans should have the interceptor and kazuuula the mosquitoe (the name fits better anyway) and then the kazuuula and the mycilloids with the sporator would have a weapon against interceptors

and maybe the researchtime should only be 3 times (not 4 times) as high

[ This Message was edited by: admin on 2002-08-27 17:15 ]

[Dougster]

Yeah some of those research times are huge.
Incidentally was there any thought as to which races would share the others stuff, it makes picking a race quite a decision. I really like some of the new ships.

BTW what happened to the disable ship, and from last round, the cybrid 1,2,3?

[untouchable]

Is it possible again to use the major reconstructor more than one time in this round?

[admin]

yes, but it will cost 550 MP instead and the minor reconstructor is not reconstructable

the disable ship was the worst ship, last round so we quit it
and the cybrid was kind of boring, there will be better ships (for example the nalat cruiser )

but we will post a list of changes soon

[ This Message was edited by: admin on 2002-08-27 22:22 ]

[admin]

the interceptor will stay kazuuula and the mosquitoe human.
but the carrier is dropping out 250 nano bombers now:
http://manual.spacetrace.org/ship.php?ship_id=110&shipname=nano%20bomber

this ship is not researchable its own

[Dougster]

So a nano bomb kills 3? fighters/kamis etc?

[admin]

it kills one and does 1 damage to two more (which kills most fighters, but not all)

[Dougster]

I was also looking at the eagle, it takes 2 hours for a kazuula to research, but 2 days 6 hours for others, this is more than 4 times, way more, what is the methodology for calculating the times. And I cant see why a penguin should take longer to research than a kami either.

[spacetrace]

thiere are some short-time inventions (1h 2h 3h) that are fast to research because most of the knowledge needed to build them is already done with the previous basic research. but they are too fast (for other races) even if you multiplicate it with a factor, so they are calculated with an additional plus-term.


a penguin is a ship from a different race. The humans are agressive so they can easily invent something like a kamikaze. The mycilloids are more defensive, so they need a longer research time.

[ This Message was edited by: spacetrace on 2002-08-28 12:47 ]

[ This Message was edited by: admin on 2002-08-28 15:06 ]

[spacetrace]

i want to ask for help.
we have our own ideas about the 'style' of the races, but maybe you could help us with some more thoughts about the races.
here are my feelings of the main races:


friendly
clever



typical aliens
tricky


defensive
mighty


like ants
without any feelings=rational



agressive


if you have some more suggestions , pls post

[ This Message was edited by: spacetrace on 2002-08-28 15:46 ]

[Blazedem0n]

hmmm makes it alot hrder to have a good civilization man all the ships i like are all mixed up but im sure it will be alot harder now