SOA

[kamekaze6]

their flag was taken last night i ve been waiting for them to post why we did it here are the reasons anyway:



11.10 15:40 from Fenix, Praetor of The Planet Auir
Subject:Re:Re:Hello Survivors!
Can you put hat in layman terms please...all I got from that message is that you want us to give faulty coords to the HSA? then when they attack we can attack their undefended bases...I don't know if thats what you mean but I surely wont attack HSA now...they are to powerful and we are too weak...if our score improves to above 10000 then maybe we can fight the higher alliances but nothing that high yet.
En Taro Adun!

14.10 12:11 from Fenix, Praetor of The Planet Auir
Subject:Hello Survivors!
- alliance round-message -
Notice! Everyone, I was about to ban people with large negative scores but it has come to my attention that most of you have a negative score that negates our large positive scores...I have one order as of late: You have one week to get your scores up to the positive level...I don't care how you do it but if you cheat DON'T get caught and after the week is over, remove all evidence of you doing so. OK? It is very important that our scores reach the positive level because our triumverate alliance allies are risingand we remain below the positive...please ask others for battle strat! no matter what the ourcome of your battle if you lose points I want to know so I can give you an idea of what you should use when you attack that same person again. Please do this because I would rather not have to ban anyone...we have a strong alliance but the points don't show it.
En Taro Adun!

07.10 19:09 from Fenix, Praetor of The Planet Auir
Subject:Here is a gift <IMG SRC='http://forum.spacetrace.org/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif'>
- alliance round-message -
Hell Spawned Angels

(co ords will not be posted)

En Taro Adun!
p.s. these are the coordinates of the members of the Hell Spawned Angels alliance. Please make sure you have them in your com list for future reference. DO NOT ATTACK THEM YET! They are way to powerful. Once we have the resources the coords will come in handy...for total conquest So add them to your com list for now.

_________________
Angel of War
a Happy Lumberjack

[ This Message was edited by: kamekaze6 on 2004-10-19 21:14 ]

[Weylyn]

Here you go, deny -this- Fenix...

_________________
Join the army, meet interesting people, kill them.
WoC-leader

[STARDOOM]

As I can see you are anxious for my reply...it seems to me that your are seeking to play a little mind game with me...alright...I'll bite. Your are seeking to achieve approval from others that makes it alright for you to attack tiny alliance that have a negative score and are allied to you. Let me then reply to your statements...
The first message you quoted was to a member that replied to my message with the coords of the HSA alliance. He was asking me what they were for...he asked first about the some 20 coords i sent...the number was twice that of the HSA members...i had recieved the coords of the HSA and the To (to my knowledge) and found that it was important for my members to know the locations, should we ever be attacked. A good leader shares all his information with his members. The he asked me if we were to use the coords to attack HSA with their fleets gone fighting -TO- and as you quoted you can see that I told him NO! basically said that was stupid because they were super powerful! The I said that if we gained 10000 points we could then attack the alliance that were around that score (more powerful) instead of fighting the weak ones. The I said once again...not HSA!

For the record ("Mr. Executioner") i'm not denying a word, simply providing the english translation of the way my mind works.

Ok the next message I sent was about getting my alliance's score into the positive. I stated that I would like to have our score reflect our skill, but we had been training newbs who's scores were negating our positive scores, resulting in an often flucuating negative score. I then told them I didn't care how...but I said don't give us a bad name...and that if they cheated I didn't want to know. But the rest of this message helps defend me more that it hurst me as a good leader. I then told them that they needed to ask me and others in my alliance for battle strategy so they could increase their scores...and that I was not worried if it went down more because I would provide them with more battle strat. So that message is over with...
The next message was ofcourse the start of this whole misunderstanding. I sent the coordinates of the HSA members and what I thought was the TO members...after closer examination (refers to something said similar, earlier) I noticed that the coords were only of the HSA alliance. Thus half of the pie was missing...shoudl we have been thrown int the massive war, and forced to pick sides we would have had no orientation...thus we stayed out of every battle and never engaged in a war with them or their allies. (them refers to TO and HSA) Weylyn has been an ally through the NAZGULS when I was once a member of BORG EMPIRE under the leadership of its current member, but with a different name. We stopped playing for a while and then later decided to return to the game. Our old allies had moved around but we still were loyal to our word to fight along side them to our deaths. Weylyn was one of those allies who had changed alliances. In result to thei change HSA was one of our new ally alliances...but their affairs (war with TO) were too hot for us to get involved in. Now incase your wondering...HSA was our ally. again to this messaglast quoted...I told my alliance members: "DO NOT ATTACK THEM YET" now The HSA has ssen this yet as later...but if anyone here speaks english they well know that when they tell their parents not yet it means no. lol...I told them not to attack, and that if the HSA attacked us we would need the coordinates...meaning I did not intend on attacking them. simple as that. And total conquest is a really long way away when your training a couple of newbs. I was using what I knew to help others have fun. so total conquest is only a dream...it was then...it is now... And I never never never said to anyone. : "we WILL attack the HSA" will is the big word there...I never definately said that we would. just maybe...thats what is called AMBIGUOS...what I told my alliance mebers...was that we didn't know what the future held for us and as a good leader I wanted my members to be ready should anything happen to us. Simple as that...I'm just sharing information with my people and trying to prevent them from attacking someone on the list because they MISUNDERSTOOD the reason for it...which infact did happen...as you can see I was required to send a reply to a member to tell him that I did not want him attacking the HSA members on the list while they attacked TO...cuz thats just stupid...

Well there is your reply...but I'm not going to throw any bullloney your way HSA because I've always repected your alliance...evern before you were at the top...lol...can you even remember that? lol...I am just wondering whether or not you (current) masters of the game think this forum post is going to give you praise for attacking one of your weak allys...I just hope you can "leave it at this" and return to the way it was...you made a mistake by misinterpreting something I said indirectly to them...well not even at them...and payed for it. But the HSA my be "angels" but they were not made perfect...so I forgive them for attempting to squish my tiny little base with little-no defenses. But I do Forgive them, thats the way this world must run...I am only asking one thing...that I get my flag back...its too cool to be in hell...sorry man but its cooler with my alliance. I'll wait for a reply from you guys...i'm kind of anxious to hear what you think of me...it appears to me that you hate me...such a powerful word for such a small thing as miscommunication...but I never sent it to you...meaning I did not word it as so that you could understand its meaning...and As I said before It was meant to inform my members and help protect them if anything bad happened...should we be blind sighted...sound familliar? hmmm...we this can all end should HSA decide that my message might actually be telling the truth but they just decided that it was total bull and that they would hear none of it...never allowing me to use my voice and the truth to back up my case...never woulda happened that way in am American court because I am innocent until proven guilty...not guilty until proven innocent...But as I said: "I forgive"

Remember we were allies and it wont change unless you return my flag...no apology required...just return the flag somehow...stop sieging my base of course, and return to your more important buisness like sleeping or eating. lol. I never thought thiskind of thing would be blown outta proportions so much as to having myself squished like a bug.

I denied nothing from your posted statements.

_________________
En Taro Adun!
-=Fenix=-

[concour]

Fenix never said he wanted to attack the HSA. In fact he has been holding me back form assalting the powerful allainces. Him and i are friends in real life, and the last thing on his mind was to attack the HSA. When you attack him he was outraged.

[Spyder]

I'm confused again. When were we allies?

Could someone please tell me. I dint think we had allies.

[Rince]

[Dutchbatter]

We have no ally's certainly not with ally's where it is allowed to cheat (if long there are not get caught).

[STARDOOM]

please take notice that you only quoted what you wantthe public to hear...while neglecting the rest of the message which encourged them to do it the normal/right way. The rest of the message was a good paragraph telling them to get battle strategy for fighting...to get the score up fairly! That sentence was not encouragement...it was addressing those newbs who would immediately consider useing farmers to get their score up quickly...I used that sentence to address that issue...i did not encourage it...but I did not discourage it...which I admit I should have but i didn't. I had no crime there...there is no current evidence provided that shows that they actually multied...where is the crime in that? If they didn't multi...and decided to do it the right way like I told them to...then I'm still in the right...and there is nothing wrong with that.
According to Concour and Raynor we had a mutual aggreement with the HSA...apparently this was set up between one of them and an HSA member...I was told this and assumed it to be true. After that I did not attack HSA and I was not attacked by HSA...noone ever told me that they were and so I assumed that it was true. It was an agreement with Weylyn...the old nazgul member, who we were tightly bound to...that we would keep our word to the Nazgul members and to support them...I apologize for being loyal.

_________________
En Taro Adun!
-=Fenix=-

[kamekaze6]

fine post the correct messages.

_________________
STFU N00B!!!!111!1!

Click!!

[Weylyn]

I never made any agreement between SOA and HSA. My personal affiliations are irrelevant in this matter. I serve my alliance, and nothing else. "Friends" is an uncertain word in this game. I've fought most of my friends here in the past, and there are very few people in HSA that I haven't fought at some point.

_________________
Join the army, meet interesting people, kill them.
WoC-leader

[launcher]

so who did you send the message to fenix?

_________________
<-missled by launcher->

[Weylyn]

We know who he sent it to, but we don't want to endanger our informers.

_________________
Join the army, meet interesting people, kill them.
WoC-leader

[nitro]

LONG LIVE HELL
SPAWNED
ANGELS


_________________
~~POWERED BY NITRO~~

[STARDOOM]

Any and all conflict between our two alliances has ended and there is only one matter left for the HSA to address..our flag...how they are going to go about returning it to us...and when. The S.O.A. and its allies have decided to forgive the HSA for misinterpreting a message and acting accoringly...they acted correctly but they simply made a translation error...thats all.

_________________
En Taro Adun!
-=Fenix=-

[kamekaze6]

not quite whohave u been talking to?? and don t assume ur off the hook if the thread has been empty for 12 hrs. so which is it you talked to someone from my alliance who was not involved in me attacking u or did u just assume??



_________________
STFU N00B!!!!111!1!

Click!!

[kamekaze6]

answer me before i attack cause as far as i'm concerened we haven t sorted this out

_________________
STFU N00B!!!!111!1!

Click!!

[promethius2]

The SOA, the NSK, the borg empire, the ape empire and the united fedration of planets have always been allies.
And sice the last round the borg Empire has been at war with Total ownage.
For this reason, the other alliances must protect the borg empire. And, so when the Hsa and -to- went to war we automaticalyy were allies with the angels.
However, i must say artanis (as i have always called you) you clearly stated that you would allow your mebers to cheat in order to have a rival power with your allies.
Our alliance is supposed to be about cooperation not rivalry.
I beleive this is an act of attempted multying but there is no evidence of actual multying.
I have found these messages very dissappointing. And i am not sure how much distrust has come between the ufp and the S.O.A. I hope for boh our sakes there is none.

[kamekaze6]

even though my enemy's enemy is my friend, you can t assume you are our allies as there was no communicationbetween us and u.

_________________
STFU N00B!!!!111!1!

Click!!

[promethius2]

We were/are enemies (?) with the same goal.

[STARDOOM]

there is absolutely no distrust of any kind...and I hope that with our friendship still strong the Merge of our 3 great alliances will bring an even stronger bond with our allies! The Birth of the Triumvirate has taken place and the Triumvirate is the representation of the very bond that makes unites us and our purposes...there are 2 remaining members to join the Triumvirate and then the merge will have been completed!

_________________
En Taro Adun!
-=Fenix=-