2 Different battles?

[blackmagic]

Check this out. I'm not to sure wat happened, but i have some idea. Look at these two battle reports. Same fleet setup except for an extra campaign ship, but different outcome.



yours: 555 ships
class 2:
548 destroyers (10/10, 8 MP)
1 campaign ship (0/10, 45 MP)
class 3:
5 cruisers (100/100, 60 MP)
class 4:
1 mothership (0/1000, 320 MP)

enemy: 90 ships
class 1:
4 fighters (1/1, 1 MP)
class 3:
86 cruisers (100/100, 60 MP)
class 4:
buildings:
1 transwarp-network (0/100, 0 MP)
1 defensive array (0/500, 0 MP)
1 research center (0/3500, 0 MP)
1 shipyard (0/3500, 0 MP)

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your class 2 vs enemy class 1: V ^
you:
548 destroyers
1 campaign ship
enemy:
4 fighters



4 destroyers vs 4 fighters






3 fighters vs 1 destroyer




losses:
you :
-
enemy :
4 fighters
score in this subbattle: 4

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your class 2 vs enemy class 3: V ^
you:
548 destroyers
1 campaign ship
enemy:
86 cruisers



860 destroyers vs 86 cruisers
1 campaign ship distracts the fleet.
all remaining ships reassemble for another strike after 421 ships






86 cruisers vs 86 destroyers




losses:
you :
86 destroyers
1 campaign ship
enemy :
86 cruisers
score in this subbattle: 4427

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your class 3 vs enemy class 4: V ^
you:
5 cruisers
enemy:
1 shipyard
1 research center
1 transwarp-network
1 defensive array



4 cruisers vs 1 defensive array
1 cruiser vs 1 transwarp-network






1 defensive array defends in class 3: 1 ship
1 defensive array defends in class 2: 10 ships




losses:
you :
10 destroyers
1 cruiser
enemy :
1 transwarp-network
score in this subbattle: -140

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your class 4 vs enemy class 4: V ^
you:
1 mothership
enemy:
1 shipyard
1 research center
1 defensive array









1 defensive array defends in class 3: 1 ship
1 defensive array defends in class 2: 10 ships




losses:
you :
10 destroyers
1 cruiser
enemy :
-
score in this subbattle: -140

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summary:
your losses:
class 2:
106 destroyers
1 campaign ship
class 3:
2 cruisers

enemy losses:
class 1:
4 fighters
class 3:
86 cruisers
class 4:
buildings:
1 transwarp-network

score: 4151


THIS WAS THE FIRST BATTLE. THE ONE BELOW IS THE OTHER ONE:


yours: 516 ships
class 1:
1 fighter (1/1, 1 MP)
2 mosquitoes (0/3, 1 MP)
class 2:
509 destroyers (10/10, 8 MP)
2 campaign ships (0/10, 45 MP)
class 3:
1 cruiser (100/100, 60 MP)
class 4:
1 mothership (0/1000, 320 MP)

enemy: 90 ships
class 1:
4 fighters (1/1, 1 MP)
class 3:
86 cruisers (100/100, 60 MP)
class 4:
buildings:
1 transwarp-network (0/100, 0 MP)
1 research center (0/3500, 0 MP)
1 shipyard (0/3500, 0 MP)

your class 1 vs enemy class 1: V ^
you:
1 fighter
2 mosquitoes
enemy:
4 fighters



1 fighter vs 1 fighter


3 fighters vs 1 mosquito
1 fighter vs 1 mosquito

losses:
you :
1 mosquito
enemy :
1 fighter
score in this subbattle: 0

your class 2 vs enemy class 3: V ^
you:
509 destroyers
2 campaign ships
enemy:
86 cruisers



500 destroyers vs 50 cruisers
8 destroyers vs 1 cruiser
1 campaign ship losses: 1 ship
1 campaign ship distracts the fleet.
all remaining ships reassemble for another strike after 75 ships


86 cruisers vs 86 destroyers


losses:
you :
86 destroyers
2 campaign ships
enemy :
50 cruisers
score in this subbattle: 2222

your class 3 vs enemy class 3: V ^
you:
1 cruiser
enemy:
36 cruisers

1 cruiser vs 1 cruiser


losses:
you :
1 cruiser
enemy :
-
score in this subbattle: -60

your class 4 vs enemy class 4: V ^
you:
1 mothership
enemy:
1 shipyard
1 research center
1 transwarp-network


losses:
you :
-
enemy :
-
score in this subbattle: 0

summary:
your losses:
class 1:
1 mosquito
class 2:
86 destroyers
2 campaign ships
class 3:
1 cruiser

enemy losses:
class 1:
1 fighter
class 3:
50 cruisers

score: 2162


so wat exactly happened?

[An offer you cant refuse]

Battle 1
1 campaign ship distracts the fleet.
all remaining ships reassemble for another strike after 421 ships

Battle 2
1 campaign ship distracts the fleet.
all remaining ships reassemble for another strike after 75 ships

The campaign ship had a far greater effect in the first battle, with about 6 times more ships firing twice.

[mackman]

But still it doesnt make sense.When the campainship gets active all remianing ships should fire he fought the same amount of cruisers in both battles so why not all of the destroyers -minus the 86 re-assemble?

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[ This Message was edited by: mackman on 2004-06-03 05:00 ]

[Lord Lou]

point is When campaign ship reactivates:
in 1st battle:
all remaining ships reassemble for another strike after 421 ships
in 2nd battle:
all remaining ships reassemble for another strike after 75 ships

so first time your fleet attacked again with 421 ships, and in second battle your ships attacked attacked again for 75.

It is ranomized, when will ur campaign ship activate, and less u have them, the better for you.

[An offer you cant refuse]

Actually, when the campaign ship activated in the second battle, those 75 ships that were supposed to be reshuffled into the fleet were already dead, so they had no effect whatsoever.

The first battle really worked out nicely for you, because those 421 ships really did the damage of about 760 ships.

[blackmagic]

you sure it wasn't some glitch? It really shouldn't have mattered if i had two campaign ships because once one activates the other one is destroyed. But why did only 75 ships attack in the battle, when I had a lot more surviving ships than that?

[Tofu]

First battle:
turn 1 to 421: 421 destroyers attacks
turn 422: the surviving destroyers are reassembled (421-86=335)
turn 423-end: the reassembled 335 and the remaining 127 destroyers attack
total attacks: 421+335+127=883

Second battle:
turn 1 to 75: 75 destroyers attack
turn 76: the surviving destroyers are reassembled (75-86=0)
turn 77-end: the reassembled 0 and the remaining 434 destroyers attack
total attacks: 75+0+434=509

The turn in which the campaign ship reassembles is random, so it´s better to take only 1 campaign ship, because this will increase your chances of firing late (not like the comando fighter).

[Lord Lou]

OMG
battle 1:
1st destroyer fires
2nd destroyer fires
3rd destroyer fires
......
421st destroyer fires
campaign ship activates and all thsoe 421 destroyers reasemble for new strike + remaining 100 destroyers (totaly you fire with 900 destroyers in that sub battle)
900 ~ 421 * 2 + 100
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battle 2
1st destroyer fires
2nd destroyer fires
3rd destroyer fires
......
75th destroyer fires
campaign ship activates and all thsoe 75 destroyers reasemble for new strike + remaining 420 destroyers (totaly you fire with 560 destroyers in that sub battle)
560 ~ 75*2 + 420

OK ?

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Protector of Weak, and Defender of Small.
...and I will strike down with great vengance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brotherin, and u will now my name is the Lord, when I lay my vengance upon you!

[blackmagic]

Yeah i understand the randomization, but the thing is, is that this has never happened before. Every time i had used the campaign ship,it has always fired late.

[Lord Lou]

Your luck just ran out

[Tofu]

Do you mean me with "OMG", Lou?

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[Lord Lou]

No tofu, I didn't mean you, but. I said 1st battle ~ 900 destroyers shoot
but you saw only 860, others left out of targets.

as for 2nd battle ~ 600, more about 590, others didn't fire couse 86 cruisers shoot them down before they could fire, but other 500 (or 508) fired.

I think I made ti clear, enough. I'll end it here.

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Protector of Weak, and Defender of Small.
...and I will strike down with great vengance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brotherin, and u will now my name is the Lord, when I lay my vengance upon you!