War in Iraq

[Dark One]

Ok Just wondering, that's all.

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[Whityz0r]

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[Luis Abhorash]

:)9THAT was weird

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[Metody I The Evil]

It was weird indeed... BTW I think that this topic is missing a page or so... and THAT is more weird

Nevertheless, now the war is over, Iraq has more than 300 bilion dollars of war debt to the USA... I wonder... Have the USA suggested an "oil for debt program", or will they wait a little before doing it? And before answering, take into account that a war debt /especially this big/ can't be payed by taxes, so it should be payed by country production /e.g. oil/.

-but-

Well... That means that the oil wells should be under the ownership of the country itself... So, effectively...
NO DEMOCRACY IF THE USA WANT TO GET THEIR DEBT
/e.g. no private ownership over the wells, which means what, another dictator?/

-or-

If the USA don't receive the debt, they simply own the country... Maybe that was their task?

@Whity - get a hold of yourself... Besides of their puny attempt to interfere in Cuba, the USA haven't fought a war in America for more than a century...

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[Luis Abhorash]

I was thinking...
has somebody seen the nuclear and biological weapons?? I'm still looking for them
please if somebody see them say me where
ajem... OIL ...ajem

cya

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[noah]

yeah before there was like 6 pages on this topic now there is only 3. what happened?

[BlackBaron]

My posts!!!
MY POOOOOOOOOOSTSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!

It seems that when the forum went online some of the last posts were deleted.

Anyway, Luis, if you have any news about those wepons post them here

I wonder, who will be the next target? Syria?
I kindda hope request Whityz0r comes true...

You know Metody, the Cuba thing was completely different, now there isn't URSS, besides, the Cuba thing wasn't the last "war" in America. I'm not sure about the exact date, but around the 80s, marines entered Panama, took Noriega (the dictator) and left, leaving as president the one that had won the last election (who wasn't recognized by Noriega). Pretty much what Whityz0r wants for Venezuela.

[noah]

isnt it USSR? i think it stands for Union of Soviet Socialist Republic. or in russia CCCP and i have no idea what that stands for.

[Metody I The Evil]

Well, since the Russian alphabet is almost the same as ours, e.g. they also write in Cyrillic, I think I know the answer... CCCP means SSSR , as the "S" is written like "C" and the "R" - as "P"...
And, "Union" in russian is "Soiuz" - that's what their spaceship's name means - so, basically instead of USSR you get... CCCP

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[Metody I The Evil]

Hmm... I've got a question... What exactly is the so-called "depleted uranium"?

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[noah]

yeah i knew they used cyrillic but i didnt know how all the letters went and all that. thanks

[Metody I The Evil]

Well... Here are some more...

Letter/Used as

"B"====="V"
"H"====="N"
"Y"=====r"U"le
"X"====="H"

and the most interesting is the letter that looks like the number "3" and is read like "Z"

and the most fun is the way the pronounciation of the latin letter X is written in textbooks - "EKC"

Nevertheless... Depleted uranium... ?!

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[ This Message was edited by: Metody I The Evil on 2003-04-21 17:47 ]

[BlackBaron]

Sorry, it is USSR in english, but it is URSS in spanish, I just had a lapsus and it came to my mind the spanish name instead of the english one.

Metody, I'm ina hurry and I don't have time right now, but I may be able to tell you what depleted uranium is as soon as I have time to confirm if it means what I think it means.

[Metody I The Evil]

Well... I have an idea what it is myself... Well... judging from the "depleted" part it should be the left-over from the nuclear reaction in a nuclear power-plant reactor... and trust me, I KNOW what comes out of the reactor itself, I even have the "family tree" of Uranium 235 and Uranium 238 /e.g. with half-life, what turns into what,it's half-life, etc... / ... I just have to be sure whether the "depleted" Uranium comes from a nuclear power-plant or it is something else...

-however-

Anything, that comes from a radioactive reaction, is radioactive until it reaches the state of Pb /or lead/... Even some *isotopes* /dunno the correct word in English / of Pb are radioactive themselves... That's why the radioactive waste from every reactor is held within a concrete *bunker* ....

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[BlackBaron]

I think this should answer most of the questions you have about it:
http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/faq_17apr.htm

Now that we are on the subject, is it true that Bulgary completely powered by 2 Nuclear power plants?

[noah]

how do you know so much about the cyrillic alphabet?

[noah]

Oh haha. You're from Bulgaria. You're pretty close to Russia, and weren't you basically under the USSR's control for a bunch o' years?

I like the way topics switch so easily.

[ This Message was edited by: noah on 2003-04-22 00:49 ]

[Metody I The Evil]

@Noah - we were behind the "iron curtain" for 45 years allright... It turned out not as bad as it looks though... Here, due to the second Communist president, the country had the *softest* of communist regimes...

We also supplied the Soviet union with electronics, their spacecraft with dehidrated foods, and also biological equipment and experiments on their Mir station... Also, the first Bulgarian astronaut, that never made it to the space-station, Georgi Ivanov, actually made the impossible and landed the only Soiuz spacecraft that had an engine malfunction /well... I've not heard of another Soiuz that had such a malfunction, it was the first accident of that type/... Actually, not only the engine malfunctioned, but also all guiding, electronic, all systems crashed at once...

In return, the Soviets helped to build the Nuclear powerplant Kozlodui, and started the second one in Belene which still isn't finished and was never operational... They also supplied us with what guaranteed the country's peace with all it's neighbours 'till last year...

Forget Iraq's puny scuds with their range... How do more than 30 balistic missiles with range of 3000 km sound? As far as I know, that means Germany to the west, Moscow to the east, Iraq to the south, and the southern parts of Scandinavia to the north... That's why none of our neighbours attacked us, and they had the opportunities, and our army was very poorly armed... Every city of our neighbouring countries was within range... Anyway, due to the USA, we've destroyed all those missiles last year... That's the first time our a**-giving politics actually did the right thing, so the USA now hasn't got a reason to attack us

As for the nuclear power plants... Well, Kozlodui supplies enough power to actually sell the electricity to Turkey... The european union wasn't very happy, instead of their electricity, ours is sold... So, they wanted the powerplant closed, and our politics /as allways/ agreed, despite that experts confirmed that Kozlodui is far more secure than France's powerplants for example... But the Supreme Court declared that false, and since there is no higher instance, we keep the powerplant As for Belene, I think it's time to finally complete it, as our Minister of Economy said that we couldn't sell electricity to Serbia, Romania, etc. due to *low capacity*, and they really want it...

@black baron - thanks, now I know what I need, and I know what depleted uranium is, despite that it's not told there... As they said that they remove the 238 and 235 isotopes, what uranium is left?

Here's what the *family of Uranium 238" is:

Uranium 238 - half-life of 4 500 000 000 years; turns into Thorium 234

Th 234 - halflife of 24.1 24h circles /day and night/ turns into Pa 234

Pa 234 - halflife 6.6 hours; turns into Uranium 234

Uranium 234 - after 250 000 years halflife turns into Thourium 230...

So... Depleted Uranium IS Uranium 234... Now, Serbia needs only a mere 250 000 years before it's half clean Quite humane, that they cleaned the 238 out of the Depleted Uranium - it would have taken them ONLY 4 500 000 000 to be half clean

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[Metody I The Evil]

A little more *radioactive lessons*

Ok, so, every atom of a every element consists of protons, neutrons, electrons...

The number of protons determines the element itself, for example, Uranium has 92 protons while Thorium has 90

The number of neutrons determines the isotope, for example U238 has 238 neutrons, while U235 has 235 etc.

The number of electrons determines the electrical characteristics - more electrons mean negative polarity whereas less mean positive

Ok, so, what happens when Uranium 238 turns into Thorium 234? Well, from 238/92, to turn into 234/90, there are 4 neutrons and 2 protons released /that's what radiation is/. Those neutrons and protons /the so-called rays - alpha, beta etc./ then enter another atom and make it another isotope, which, as it's not stable /otherwise it'd be natural and would exist/ is still radioactive itself... Some of those isotopes are whatsoever stable, but still it's not very nice having Deuterius instead of Hydrogen in your blood

Now, let's compare U238 and U234... The 238 releases 4/2 due to it's radioactive instability over a period of 4.5 bilion years.

The U234 turns into Th230 over 250 000 years. By doing so, it also releases 4/2, so basically it behaves like U238 in terms of radioactive behaviour, and should be of just the same danger...

Ok, but let's compare the the half-lifes, e.g. the timespan in which those neutrons and protons /e.g. rays/ are released...

U238 has 4.5 bilion years while U234 has 250 000... 4 500 000 000 divided by 250 000 gives us a factor of... 18 000!!!

Now, let's compare the U235... It turns into Thorium 231 over of period of 710 milions of years... again, the proportion is 4/2... So, 710 000 000 divided by 250 000 gives the result of... 2840!!!

Thusly, the *harmless* depleted uranium is 2840 times more radioactive than the U235 and 18 000 times more radioactive than the U238!!!

Why that isotope is not used in *THE BOMB* must be because it's critical mass /for a chain reaction/ is very large while the BOMB one needs just about 4 kilos to start it...

Now, as radioactivity is not a still process, e.g. the Uranium doesn't stay 234 for 250 000 years, and then suddenly, half of it dissolves in an instant to Thorium 230, and so on... The process continues allways, the half-life is just the time needed for sure for half of a certain quantity of some element to fully turn into another... So, radioactivity is not something that happens once every 250 000 years, it's something that happens all the time in those years, and it continues afterwards, with half of the quantity /e.g. half the strength/ for another 250 000 years, then a quarter is left from the first quantity, etc. That's why with time radioactivity drops down.... So, depending on the half-life, maybe once a day, maybe once a year, maybe even once every minute or second, an atom dissolves. But the element it turns to can be far more radioactive than the one it comes from....

So, basically, the USA is the only country that ever used a nuclear weapon /twice! / and the only country that is publicly using them today... Ahh, yes... For half of all the products of Uranium 235 to turn into stable non-radioactive lead, it takes only around 34 000 years...

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[ This Message was edited by: Metody I The Evil on 2003-04-22 12:10 ]

[BlackBaron]

Well, indeed that site doesn't say what isotopes form depleted Uranium...

And BTW, you can really see now how the people from Irak is indeed happy with Saddam gone (of course, they want the Coalition to go too, but still...)
That at least shows how "real" were those elections made a few months ago, where Saddam won with 100% of the votes).

I'd wish countries like USA were really more concerned about freeing other countries of dictators like Saddam instead of caring about getting "mo' money"!

[ This Message was edited by: BlackBaron on 2003-04-22 17:39 ]