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Warlord of Nemesis
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 Post Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2003 7:05 pm    Post subject:
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I have a battlereport here, i lost my minor reconstructor in this fight! Can you tell me why???
BR:
yours: 743 ships
class 1:
460 fighters (1/1, 1 g MP)
120 bulk fighters (2/4, 3 g MP)
class 2:
80 destroyers (10/10, 8 g MP)
20 combat reconstructors (2/10, 6 g MP)
20 mobile repair bots (1/10, 5 g MP)
class 3:
40 cruisers (100/100, 60 g MP)
1 minor reconstructor (0/100, 100 g MP)
class 4:
1 mothership (0/1000, 320 g MP)
1 major reconstructor (0/150, 550 g MP)
buildings:
1 research center (0/3500, 0 g MP)
1 shipyard (0/3500, 0 g MP)

enemy: 752 ships
class 1:
600 fighters (1/1, 1 MP)
class 2:
150 destroyers (10/10, 8 MP)
class 3:
1 cruiser (100/100, 60 MP)
class 4:
1 mothership (0/1000, 320 MP)

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your class 1 vs enemy class 1: V ^
you:
460 fighters
120 bulk fighters
enemy:
600 fighters



120 bulk fighters vs 120 fighters
459 fighters vs 459 fighters






296 fighters vs 74 bulk fighters
304 fighters vs 304 fighters




losses:
you :
304 fighters
74 bulk fighters
enemy :
579 fighters
score in this subbattle: 53

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your class 2 vs enemy class 2: V ^
you:
80 destroyers
20 mobile repair bots
20 combat reconstructors
enemy:
150 destroyers



19 units repaired
9 reconstruction success: 9 ships
8 reconstruction success: 16 ships
6 mobile repair bots vs 2 destroyers
8 combat reconstructors vs 4 destroyers
80 destroyers vs 80 destroyers
12 combat reconstructors vs 12 destroyers
14 mobile repair bots vs 14 destroyers






6 destroyers vs 2 destroyers
26 destroyers vs 13 destroyers
2 destroyers vs 1 combat reconstructor
2 destroyers vs 1 mobile repair bot
65 destroyers vs 65 destroyers
19 destroyers vs 19 combat reconstructors
19 destroyers vs 19 mobile repair bots




losses:
you :
80 destroyers
20 mobile repair bots
20 combat reconstructors
enemy :
80 destroyers
score in this subbattle: -189

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your class 3 vs enemy class 3: V ^
you:
40 cruisers
1 minor reconstructor
enemy:
1 cruiser



1 cruiser vs 1 cruiser






1 cruiser vs 1 cruiser




losses:
you :
1 cruiser
enemy :
1 cruiser
score in this subbattle: 0

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your class 4 vs enemy class 4: V ^
you:
1 mothership
1 shipyard
1 research center
1 major reconstructor
enemy:
1 mothership



1 reconstructor reactivates in class 3: 1 ship










losses:
you :
1 minor reconstructor
enemy :
-
score in this subbattle: -40

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summary:
your losses:
class 1:
282 fighters
71 bulk fighters
class 2:
20 mobile repair bots
20 combat reconstructors
80 destroyers
class 3:
1 minor reconstructor

enemy losses:
class 1:
579 fighters
class 2:
80 destroyers
class 3:
1 cruiser

score: -176

I lost the minor reconstructor in the class 4 fight! But the minor reconstructor is a class 3 ship!
Is there a big bug???
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 Post Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2003 7:15 pm    Post subject:
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hmmmmm

i reacon that the minor constutructor is a mysterious ship, and that their are still a few bugs/ queires to be had.....

sooooo hopefully admin will make sense of this situation and all will be fine


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 Post Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2003 7:22 pm    Post subject:
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The next question is the class 2 fight.
I fight with 80 destroyers, 20 mobile repair bots and 20 combat reconstructors.
The enemy has 150 destroyers.
19 units repaired is the message.
But i lost all ships in this class, and the enemy only 80 destroyers.
Where are the 19 Ships?
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 Post Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2003 11:00 pm    Post subject:
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@admin this is a bug, I already reported my minor recon being shot by a mothership, it seems it is selfdestructing after reconstruction.

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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:15 am    Post subject:
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this is no bug! (we are at 99,9% bug-freeness)

check out the manual:

. only one minor reconstructor can operate and it cannot be reconstructed.
if this ship is reconstructed it self destructs!
(battle engine syntax:


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... it cannot be reconstructed...

means: better trust the admins and do not try it :wink:

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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:18 am    Post subject:
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Yes, if it is reconstruced!!!
Not if it reconstructs surely, what would be the point.

Mine was shot by a mothership, I repeat a mothership.

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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:19 am    Post subject:
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Why would it be reconstructed when it was not shot???

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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:20 am    Post subject:
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this ship is bug free
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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:21 am    Post subject:
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if some gravobionic radiation will hit it it will get an instable gravo-reactor ... blast

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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:24 am    Post subject:
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I understand it was altered so it could not be reconstructed by a major reconstructor. The point is->
It is self destructing regardless, whenever it operates.

This was not the plan surely, and if it was, why not simply have it as self destructing.

I repeat, in both the above battle report, and the one I posted, the minor was not in fact shot by anything, so it did not 'need' to be reconstructed. Yet it still self destructed, if that is it's design then the description is incorrect.

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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:26 am    Post subject:
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i agree, i will make a new and nice and flavoroud description
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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:27 am    Post subject:
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. only one minor reconstructor can operate and it cannot be reconstructed.


This would be fine, I just kind of think, it should be shot before it is destroyed, or, simply self destruct after use. As I said, it is not being shot, so why would it be reconstructed and then sd.

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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:36 am    Post subject:
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it's just:

don't combine major + minor

this way you can't ! so ... if you have one minor you can have as often reconstruction fun with it as long it isn't shot. i think that is nice.
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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:41 am    Post subject:
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So, it should have a warning in red, warning selfdestructs if in the same fleet as a major reconstructor whether shot or not.

Was the major/minor combination so fearsome as to require this odd behaviour?

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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:46 am    Post subject:
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i added that hint:

any gravobionic radiation will cause a collapse of the reactor of the minor reconstructors. (never combine major and minor reconstructor )
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{anyway... if you know exactly what you are doing... you could combine them }
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the minor rec. is fully operational (no bug)
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the combination of minor + major is so hard to beat that we decided that way.
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sorry for any confusing descriptions; we are working on strict descriptions/definitions that won't let any room for misinterpretation.



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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:58 am    Post subject:
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I didnt notice as I knew it could not be reconstructed, and was just allowing for it, but, I still think it is a little strange.

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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:17 am    Post subject:
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Ok, no problem for me.
But there is an other error in the script.
I became -40 points for destroying the minor, but minor has 100 MP.

The other question is the point with the mobile repair bot.
Can you give me informations for this point?
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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:39 am    Post subject:
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you will always get 100 points for shooting a minor reconstructor, but if it reconstructs some ships (for example 100 fighter + 5 destroyer = 140 points) you will loose points in that subbattle (due the reconstruction-effect)
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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 9:11 am    Post subject:
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@starlight

some ships are not easy to use or a little strange (strange alien ships ), but they are really cool and have their own style (for example : shield generator, minor reconstructor, penguin aso )
maybe we could add to the description a rating which describes its noob-status.

* easy to use
***** expert ship

for example:

shield generator *****
minor reconstructor ***
interceptor *
mine deployer ***

or we could post a list like this in the board.

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to end this discussion i add a nice combinations with the minor:

(defense combination)
100 fighter
5 missile launcher
1 minor reconstructor
1 ms




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 Post Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 9:17 am    Post subject:

Is this right?
Reconstruction costs points?
I lost the points for seven cruisers, my major reconstructor reconstruct them and i loose the points a second time?
Sorry, than i need no reconstruction ship.
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