Collector of Points....

[DavAlan]

IMHO the name says it all A report was filed by me last week (for the multiple ms's hit in the 1st few days).
Person has been identified and has admitted point farming (to Renee on IRC about 5 minutes ago, saved to the IRC log too btw ) and seems to think that is not cheating???
In this way, as Renee stated earlier, this round has been rigged at least in part.
We also know who else can confirm this and those people should also speak up asap.
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[Mighty]

[SkyFire]

Well Collector of points.. that's me.
To clear things up.. here's what this is all about:

<SkyFire> well noob farming wont stop - only getting worse
<RenADavis> as I cant convince anyone to play a game that is fucking rigged
<SkyFire> of course is
<RenADavis> lol you should know
<SkyFire> we've been on and off all three score planets last evo.. didn't stand a chance against FG
<SkyFire> never fought them either
<SkyFire> never seen them neither
<SkyFire> still they had double our score
<SkyFire> yeah.. i should know..
<SkyFire> cuz i got pissed and i'm gonna play the game their way
<RenADavis> so you got desperate to win a trivial strategy game and show your maturity by cheating?
<SkyFire> what cheating?
<SkyFire> i play by the rules
<RenADavis> you point farmed sky
<SkyFire> so?
<RenADavis> about 15k points \
<SkyFire> is there a rule against it?
<SkyFire> please tell me there is
<RenADavis> YES
<SkyFire> where???!
<RenADavis> LOL
<SkyFire> and how are you gonna enforce it?
<SkyFire> is anyone gonna stop noob farmers? if so it's the happiest day on ST
<RenADavis> STUPID LYING FUCK...* IS OUT OF HERE ... * finds someone with intelligence.... cya
* RenADavis has quit IRC ("")
<SkyFire> lying?

Noob farming.. sure.. newbie farming.. not really since only 2 of my targets are in their first evo, others are in their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 8th.
The two newbies i didn't hit that many times at all - by chance tho.
Most of my points i got from the guy in his 8th evo.

And again for the record - i never heard of this rule - please show me where it is. And on another note - it's not really much of a rule if it is not/canot be enforced.

Why am i doing this? To look shiny on the scoreboard? In a way. Last evo i only fought vets - no noobs or newbies. Ended up with a very exciting evo and 5000 points - not even on the score boards. The big "winners" were other players - the newbie farmers. Yep, i'm talking about FG. My alliance (NoStars) has been on and off all three score planets for the whole evo. From the records i couldn't find a single FG battling us. To tell the truth i haven't seen them on one DSP scan and i've had 4 probe slots
Please don't tell me they got their points from fighting other vets , cuz all other vets were fighting us on the score planets lmao

So for once i would like my alliance to be praised for what it is - one of the best. Thus we have to get to the top of the scoreboard. This means doing what it takes to earn points. What's the best way of earning points? By holding score planets? lol ...didn't work last evo... held all three most of the time, struggled with a score half of FG. So you wanna make points, you fight someone who's worse at ST than you. That's what i decided to do this evo - just this evo. To prove that we can stand against them in this game once and for all. I'm not aware of breaking any rules - i would never cheat, i'm just playing the game they are. Actually copying their style

On another note i have a suggestion to the makers of this game.. i told it to spaceman some days ago, but he was busy - don't think he read it.
Here it is:
Increase the points output of score planets!.. double, tripple it ..make it more worth-while than noob farming!
Pros:
-vets start fighting vets instead of newbies
-holding a score planet for weeks / months actually means that you deserve it since you have to defend it against the best in the game
-NOOB FARMING IS EXTERMINATED since they don't get to the top of the scoreboard by doing it anymore
Cons:
-proximity to the score planets is more important (not as being in a densly populated area right now for noob farming tho)
-less planetary battles

EDIT:
LOL, almost forgot! I asked Spaceman(administrator) if it's okay to noob farm before i started doing it. He said it's okay and just another strategy.
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[SkyFire]

Oh, is this a multi report? lol, i don't multi, silly
Well i have my own subject on the forum, always wanted one, kinda
I don't play this game to make enemies tho
Got really suprised by Renees response
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[guest]

you was it wich say to me i should stop attacking noobs - i am regiment 32 - and now you say with this statement it is okay?

[Dinskydude]

I indeed agree with Sky, that there is no such rule against what you call "Newbie Farming". How could you even define this farming? Where would the limit be? One attack? 2 attacks? 20 attacks?

The training alliances have in total 108 members. Subtract 108 from the total of 153 active players. Now, you might notice that the remaining people are with a mere 45. That's 45 technically non-newbies. Chances are pretty small that you are NOT near a newb, in this case: A target.

I myself live within an area of 3 people within DSP range. One being an alliance member, and 2 newbs, one being a potential alliance member. What does that make for me to fight with on a relatively small area? 1 Target. So let's assume you're me, and want a quick, 2 hour attack. What will you do? Of course, attack the neighborhood newb!

Say that I attack this newb once or twice each 2 days. Does that make me a newb basher? I fight at the Black Hole too, but who doesn't need those extra, more regular based points?

Even IF there was a rule against it, what would you do to enforce it. Protect people whilst they're in the training alliances? Punish people who attack the members of those alliances? And even so, as i said before, where would you draw the line?

I ask you, my dearly accusers, to consider all this. Let this information, these questions roll through your mind, and ask yourself. Is he that bad? Is he even bad? Don't we all attack new people? If you say no to the last question, then it's a lie. Newbs attack other newbs too. It's a way of living. A hierarchy.

Live with it, and close this useless discussion.
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[SkyFire]

guest: it's not okay, but it's not against the rules either - as far as i know

I don't like doing it, but if we stretch it, it will break - that's my philosophy.
Like Renee said this game is rigged - because you can't win with a fair fight.
I'm doing it to have the same chances than other alliances that are doing it.
But i wish it would stop.. i really do. This is my way of fighting for it.
Kind of fight fire with fire.
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[T2]

[Mighty]

Farming might refer to 2 things..

Farming as in having members of your alliance make ms's and feed you so your score gets higher is illegal (and normally done by multies)

multi farming, as in finding people with multiple accounts and then attacking thir accounts (many times thir farms) runs a close 2nd, which if i recall rene and dav used to do alot

noob farming is something legal and very common! almost all of the people in top list either noob farm or multi farm...

Sky wants to be in top.. so he noob farms.. and he is in top as result!

this goes to show, as i have pointed out many times before points aren't worth a penny in this game.. for almost everybody with a good head can earn em pretty easy

I don't see why this should be brought up for him when most of people in the list are far older players and they do the same often...

I just think you guys are pissed cuz the new guy has learned your secret and is doing a better job than you!
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[SkyFire]

T2: I guess we all agree that what i'm doing is immoral, but you guys seem to miss my point. Of course i'm doing it for the points too, but there's another agenda:

I do it shamelessly in the public - which angers a lot of people, thus pointing out the obvious. It is not something new, it's been going on forever, but people kinda got too used to it. By my actions i trigger the outrage this behaviour deserves. If i cause 10 new players to quit the game, but it causes enough outrage so people stop doing it / the admins do something about it, then it was worth it - because i saved all the countless noob-farming victims to come.

And i ASSUME that when i said that i'm noob farming Renee didn't quite get what i meant. Maybe noob farming includes multying in Renees vocabulary - then we have a simple misunderstanding

And by all means, eventho i am noob farming, i am not concentrating on newbies, only weaker players. I am not attacking T2 who is in close proximity to my planet because that would involve a hard (yet very fun) battle with a small point gain/loss for either party, which simply doesn't fit my plan for this evo. I can't simply rest on the assumption that players doing it are "uncool", yet get the prestige of being on top of all score boards. That simply won't stop it, and it's ruining the game for a lot of players.

Our team did the same while playing UC. We saw injustice happening and lots of people cheating, because a cerain rule was not enforced. So we started doing it too - big time, and well organized. Didn't take long before people started notincing it and the rule got enforced by the admins - and the galaxy was well again

That's exactly what i'm doing here - apart from getting that prestige for my alliance that it deserves(lets say it like it is for the sake of fairness). I can't tolerate injustice.
If this outburst of rage changes things to the better and i get stopped - woohoo, i won Either way i win, at the expense of lots of people being mad at me - and that really sux. So this is a kind of my damage control

Oh, and my apollogies to the admins for putting them against the wall. I didn't expect this outrage would happen that soon. My plan was to get it stopped before it did by talking to them. I still think increasing the score planets would solve all problems - and no one has to be punished and no rule enforced.
I wouldn't mind being punished tho. Would set a nice example and help the cause too. People that would still continue doing it would actually get the shame they deserve.
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[T2]

Well, I like the idea that the score planets give more score to the holders. The advantage goes to the attacker in SP warfare so the pittance point gain when holding very rarely outweigh any score made from attacking fleets unless the attackers are new players.

Sky...I understand your position however, 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Try to come up with other ways of combating this problem. Declare war on FG.... identify, observe, attack at the weak spots. Tried and true tactic used for centuries.

A ranking system that is automatically attained by a player when they reach a pre-dertermined score? Players of rank cannot do battle with lower ranks without a handicap calculated in?
Achillies, one time I believe, outlined a handicap sytem that made lots of sense to me. It discourages battles between mis-matched opponents by applying the handicap in the final score.

Oh...I noticed your vigorous activity Sky in the area but I thought it was someone else.
I think I identified 3 potential targets within 1200ly of my base who were not newbs. As I stated before, if your in the top 10, your a target

[SkyFire]

T2: I thought about that possibility too. Couldn't come up with something that would work tho. Because the guy at the top of the "food chain" would at one point be left without targets and would have to wait for other players to climb high enough(in points) so he could attack them - only to send them back down out of reach. This system works only if players skills are somewhat matched and they really battle for the top position of the guy without targets - which is a lonely existance if you ask me. It would be great if someone would come up with a system like this that works.
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[T2]

I'll look for the thread and post the link here but if I don't find it, I'm sure Achillies knows what I'm talking about and probably knows where the thread is located.

[MicroJak]

I agree with Sky completely - not becuase I'm his alliance, but because he's right and some people don't understand it.


He doesn't like Noob Farming.


He is doing it to try and make a substansial score so that people see that you get a lot out of it, making more people do it, making a bigger impact on the game, making it unfair, then finally getting it banned or changed.


And, just to make a note - The only two rules in the game are:

Don't use multiple accounts
Don't share accounts

That's it. Two, no more. Noob farming is mearly a strategy.

And another thing - What he is doing, isn't multying!

So what really is the point of the topic if he hasn't done a single thing wrong?
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[al12]

I'd like to hear the admin say something about this because I have no idea what to say.
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[spacetrace]

there are only two rules!

there is no rule against noob-farming! bashing inactive noobs, who have a stupid fleet at home is really no problem.

farming multi-farms is allowed too, and useful too.

if you have a problem with somebody who does stuff like that, try to draw that player into a battle and beat him.


But the community can establish an honor-codex which may regulate certain things., such as bashing active noobs over and over again (which should be avoided by vets) aso.

bashing an active noob once (to teach a tactical lesson) is part of the game and even useful. The honor-codex of a vet should be: write him a message after such an attack an tell him some stuff about fleet construction and wish him good luck for the future

player should aim for a big score and should do everything to reach it (except breaking the 2 rules), ... i like playing this game very much , i have no ambitions to make a big score, because i am searcing for interesting battles with players who are better than me... but at the time i can't ... i am attackeed by a noob daily (i hope this does not break any honor-codex )

[al12]

What's your ingame name? Maybe I can come a deliver you from this killer noob
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[spacetrace]

after five attaack with +/- 200 scores i teached him a lesson i guess

[MicroJak]

[SkyFire]

Spaceman: We should really do a debate on increasing the score planets.
I guess most of us agree that newbie farming is bad , still legal, and if i'm a multi or not is for the admins to decide. I always disliked those Daves flaming threads.

So let's talk about increasing the score planets right here.