sas

[tec_server]

sas (class 3 ship)


sas (short for "shield and sword")

what do the sas?

the sas creates 10 holo-cruiser but at the same time all dreadnaughts loose 100 lp and all cruiser 20. (and that for every sas which get active) at the main tests the scientist found out that plasma fire effects a anomaly in the energy network which makes any ship imun against plasma fire.

story why the humans have holo and why the network work so?

i am not very creative so... humans found one of the first e-ray worlds and found there the tech but the tech needs to much energy so they find a way to connect the reactors of all ships but this connection damage the ships which are connected with the sas.


attack/life: 0/100
manpower: 350

researchtime: 2 d
buildingtime: 16 h


human-technology
needed research:
fanatic warfare

battle details:fights
(battle engine syntax: f)
creates 10 holo cruisers in your own fleet in class 3
battlemessage: "sas get active"
(battle engine syntax: create,self,10,3,holo cruiser,sas get active,n)
modifies AP/LP by 0/-100 of all dreadnoughts in your own fleet in class 3
battlemessage: "sas take the needed energy ... ships"
(battle engine syntax: mod,self,all,3,dreadnought,+,0,-100,sas take the needed energy)
modifies AP/LP by 0/-20 of all cruisers in your own fleet in class 3
battlemessage: "sas take the needed energy"
(battle engine syntax: mod,self,all,3,cruiser,+,0,-20,sas take the needed energy,n)
trigger_kill it disables the abilities of all plasma gunship
battlemessage: "plasma fire cause a energy network error"
(battle engine syntax: trigger_kill@disable,plasma gunship,plasma fire cause a energy network error)

[Holy KNight]

lol i like the story jus fine...the ship tho im a little confused, could u give an example?

[MicroJak]

It's too confusing!!! And I just don't think there is a need for it.


battlemessage: "sas get active"
No Need.

battlemessage: "sas take the needed energy ... ships"
No Need.

battlemessage: "sas take the needed energy"
No Need.

battlemessage: "plasma fire cause a energy network error"
No Need.

modifies AP/LP by 0/-20 of all cruisers in your own fleet in class 3
But not the enemies class three?

I'm probably wrong but.. I think you should try something else.

[linux666]

i think it's a good ship, well thought, except for the mp...350 is way too much for what it does...the holo cruisers it creates have 1lp right? and besides that it's a defensive ship, wich is good, but not but not for that mp, let's not forget it takes 100lp of the dreads and 20 of cruisers, and the dreads are still vulnerable to evaps...personally, i like to compare all ships with the plasma gunship, why?... cause it can destroy a c3, no matter how much lp it has, and it costs only 92mp!!
i whould say around 100mp...think it's reasonable...

[guest]

it´s from me...

okay i try a exampel:

Yours:
10 Cruiser
2 SaS
2 Dreads

Enemy:
15 Gunships
15 Cruiser

your cruiser destroy a gunships
enemy gunships kills a cruiser
---your SaS get active---
ALL of yours cruiser lose 20 LP
ALL of yours Dreads loose 100 LP
10 Holo cruiser created
and the gunship can not hurt you anymore
--------
enemy cruiser against a holo cruiser
your cruiser against a cruiser
enemy gunship try to shot a dread but fail
your dread destroy a gunship#
enemy cruiser fires on dread(400 LP - 100 = 300 LP)
your secend SaS get active (dread - 100LP)
enemy fires on on dread (200LP - 100 =100)
your Cruiser destroy a cruiser
enemy cruiser destroy your dread

Why so much MP?

Add this ship to a class 3 fleet against a class 3 fleet and you will get points if you meet a Swank with gunships he can not hurt you anymore and a typical anti class 3 fleet with gunships also. (problem are dominators)

If the nanites or e-ray use this ship they could make a awesome spam in class 3 (under normal conditions 5 SaS are suicide for your cruiser and dreads btw. i forget the Warcruiser) so i thought better give it more mp.

and i must not say what happens if this ship get active against class 1 and class 2 and class 3 your dreads loose 300 LP for one SaS ... but you get 30 Targets in class 3 which could take fire for you.

@linux
Holo cruiser take also the fire from evaps (evap fire is random) so they help against them too.

the best countermeasur are the Shock-wave-cruiser.
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[ilofuyci]

One of the biggest obstacles to the humans is the gunship. They can have fleets of dreads, and warcruisers, and those are heavily armored, and expensive, but gunships will just splatter all of this.

So this is a good move at protecting against that weakness. Unless you bring c1 and c2, and go up against gunships, like a standard swank attack.

But I think this is original, and needed, and for what it does, it feels balanced. Maybe give it a cannon, so if the enemy has no gunships, it will at least shoot something. Send this to 100/100.

But I like it.

[Senor]

i kind of like the originality, but i say no.
because
1. it does too much for one ship. simpler is better.
2. 3 of its 4 abilities affect only specific ships (i don't want ships that are against ONE certain ship). that's a no-no for me. the only c3 ships that you can't combine with this one are the mycolloid ones. so its backfire effect works against just cruisers and dreads, but if you combine it with any other c3 combo you get a great defense against plasma gunships + huge amount of decoys without the backfire effect.

the only effect that i really like is the decoy generation, but humans can use cluster cruisers for that.

so...no

[guest]

[Holy KNight]

wow all this...all over my head, no idea...in all my years playn this game ive never understood the huge complexity of ships like this, i think it should b a littl more simpler for players who arnt honor students in math...

[zenachi]

I agree with Senor... if you're Nanite and you build a bunch of these ships with cyclops and apollos, you get a swank with extra decoys against cruisers and evaporators, and invulnerable against plasma gunships. And no penalties...

It would be cool if it could, say stop the inter-class firing, ex. it'll prevent your dreads from firing into the enemy c1 and c2, but it also stops the plasma gunships from firing into your c3. But that's not possible.

[Nuten Spesh L]

In general, I like it.

[ilofuyci]

[Senor]

the point is...this ship will never be accepted because it is too specific and has serious potential balance issues. it's a good attempt though. try and redesign it and try to make it as simple as possible.

[zenachi]