Fighting an empty class

[al12]

I thought it would be good to have this in the forum. If I have some class 1, some class 2 ships and 1 cruiser. The enemy has some class 1, some class 2 with missle lanchers and 11 cruisers. If the enemy's missle lanchers manage to take out my cruiser then isn't it so that his 11 cruisers will battle my empty class 3 instead of my mothership?
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[Knight of Truth]

No, the missile launchers fire first, taking out your c3, and only THEN does the class 3 battle happen, but you don't have a class 3, so his cruisers move up to your c4.

At least, I think so.
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[guest]

wrong Kot...

Missle Luncher creat a Missle in Class 3 so its like a ship with 17/1 with SD.

edit:

In the theorie it work only with indirect fire.

Exempel:

You Attack a 1 1 1 3 Base. (Research Center, Shipyard, TWG)

With
Class 1
12 Sabotage Fighter
Class 2
11 Destroyer
Class 3
73 Cruiser

(i know much mp ... only for this exampel...)

The Class 1 destroy the Class 2, the Class 2 destroy class 3 and Class 3 can direct fire on class 4 base.

Should work.... maybe a vet can correct me
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[Knight of Truth]

Ah, I hadn't looked into the missile launcher, I just took Al12's word for it that it would destroy his cruiser, and then the c3 thing starts.

I thought the missile would destroy the cruiser during the class 2 battle, but it appears I was wrong.
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[al12]

Oh, then it's my mistake. Well, I'll look hard to find something like this
Untill then, if I have a class 1 ship that can hurt enemy class 3, combined with bounty's. Isn't it so that then if I clear the enemy's class 3 that my class 3 will not fight my enemy's class4?( mothership?).
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[guest]

[Failtrip1]

Im guessing plasma gunships would help to serve as an example in your case.
When usnig plasmas,you destroy enemies c3 in in first or second sub battle, you will still fight against his c3 no matter if his c3 is empty.

As for missile launchers if you attack someone who has no c3,you will fight his c4 with your missiles which are created in you class 3 and act as c3 ships.

EDIT:

[DavAlan]

If you clear a class out from a lower class battle you will get a "void class battle" when that "class" gets it's turn.
Primarlily this was done IMHO to ensure a base defense 1 1 1 can not have the c4 get hit when a single fleet hits (unless there is a mantis or time slipper in the attacking fleet).

[guest]

yours: 250 ships
class 1:
30 sabotage fighters (0/1, 1 MP)
class 2:
200 destroyers (10/10, 8 MP)
class 3:
19 cruisers (100/100, 60 MP)
class 4:
1 mothership (0/1000, 320 MP)

enemy: 4 ships
class 1:
1 bulk fighter (2/4, 3 MP)
class 2:
1 destroyer (10/10, 8 MP)
class 3:
1 cruiser (100/100, 60 MP)
class 4:
1 mothership (0/1000, 320 MP)

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your class 1 vs enemy class 1: V ^
you:
30 sabotage fighters
enemy:
1 bulk fighter



28 sabotage fighters start mission
1 sabotage fighter destroys 1 ship






1 bulk fighter vs 1 sabotage fighter




losses:
you :
1 sabotage fighter
enemy :
1 destroyer
score in this subbattle: 7

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your class 2 vs enemy class 2: V ^
you:
200 destroyers
enemy:













losses:
you :
-
enemy :
-
score in this subbattle: 0

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your class 3 vs enemy class 3: V ^
you:
19 cruisers
enemy:
1 cruiser



1 cruiser vs 1 cruiser






1 cruiser vs 1 cruiser




losses:
you :
1 cruiser
enemy :
1 cruiser
score in this subbattle: 0

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your class 4 vs enemy class 4: V ^
you:
1 mothership
enemy:
1 mothership













losses:
you :
-
enemy :
-
score in this subbattle: 0

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summary:
your losses:
class 1:
1 sabotage fighter
class 3:
1 cruiser

enemy losses:
class 2:
1 destroyer
class 3:
1 cruiser

score: 7


any questions?
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[Rubens]

Maybe i am out of time in here...But well i have not much to say except congratulations to guest that found for him self that he was wrong and showed it to all with an example;) and al12 doubt is now cleared.

Ah and BTW, to al12 and KoT, missile launches CAN NOT destroy c3 at the c2 sub-battle because the just create missiles and they don't attack till the c3 sub-battle.
For make it graphic.

13 missile launchers
11 cruisers
vs
1 wasp
2 cruisers
1 Mothership

c2 battle
13 Missiles are created
c3 battle
11 cruiser 13 missiles vs 2 cruiser
= 5 missiles vs 1 cruiser
2 cruiser vs 2 cruiser

Etc.

You see? with bad luck you don't even make your missiles useful.
Just as a defense so enemy's cruiser attack your missile...
Etc but everything happens at the c3 sub battle, and not c2.

Greetings, Rubens.
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[colinthecorgi]

If we remove the enemy c1 in our example:

Instead of 1/1/1/X base he has 0/1/1/X

then it should work, no?
Because there would be no "illegal climbing" that would move battle 1 class higher than should be possible?


Interesting subject......
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[guest]

[al12]

your fleet 1 fights against fleet 1 from access of everybody at 932/944/52
14.01 14:01:40 - your fleet arrived
14.01 13:28:46 - the enemy fleet arrived

yours: 51 ships
class 1:
20 fighters (1/1, 1 MP)
class 2:
20 combat reconstructors (2/10, 6 MP)
class 3:
10 cruisers (100/100, 60 MP)
class 4:
1 mothership (0/1000, 320 MP)

enemy: 2 ships
class 2:
1 destroyer (10/10, 8 MP)
class 3:
1 cruiser (100/100, 60 MP)

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your class 1 vs enemy class 2: V ^
you:
20 fighters
enemy:
1 destroyer



10 fighters vs 1 destroyer






1 destroyer vs 1 fighter




losses:
you :
1 fighter
enemy :
1 destroyer
score in this subbattle: 7

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your class 2 vs enemy class 3: V ^
you:
20 combat reconstructors
enemy:
1 cruiser



19 combat reconstructors vs 1 cruiser






1 cruiser vs 1 combat reconstructor




losses:
you :
1 combat reconstructor
enemy :
-
score in this subbattle: -6

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your class 3 vs enemy class 3: V ^
you:
10 cruisers
enemy:
1 cruiser



1 cruiser vs 1 cruiser






1 cruiser vs 1 cruiser




losses:
you :
1 cruiser
enemy :
1 cruiser
score in this subbattle: 0

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summary:
your losses:
class 1:
1 fighter
class 2:
1 combat reconstructor
class 3:
1 cruiser

enemy losses:
class 2:
1 destroyer
class 3:
1 cruiser

score: 1

I didn't put enough firepower to take out the cruiser but you were right as my class 2 did fight his class 3 instead of the enpty class 2.
Good that this was brought up
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