Spectre??

[Summer]

spectre (class 2 ship)
de spectre geeft een zware schokgolf af die 1 schade doet aan 1000 klasse 1 schepen in beide vloten. T

attack/life: 0/10
manpower: 400

researchtime: 2 d
buildingtime: 22 h


e-ray-technology
needed research:
gravity

battle details:
fights
(battle engine syntax: f)
modifies AP/LP by 0/-1 of 1000 ships of any ship-type in both fleets in class 1
battlemessage: "heavy shock wave detected: destructed ... ships"
(battle engine syntax: mod,both,1000,1,all,+,0,-1,heavy shock wave detected: destructed

So does the spectre begin to fight during the class 1 battle or class 2?

and what happens if I put 1 fighter or another class 1 ship in the same fleet with a Spectre?


thx

[T2]

The spectre fights like any other ship with the exception of when it gets it's turn, regardless of the class it is fighting, the spectre will attempt to kill 1000 c1 ships. The class of ship it is fighting makes no difference to it's intended effect. The shock wave emited by the spectre either in a defensive role, attack role or the class it is fighting, it has the same effect on C1 ships.

[Knight of Truth]

To add to that:

The spectre does not ''shoot'', and take of LP, like a normal ship. Instead, as T2 says, when your class 2 fights, and the spectre takes it turn, it does 1 damage to 1000 ships in the enemy's and your class 1.

Now, class 1 is usually made up of fighters with 1 LP, so most will be destroyed.

It should be noted that if both of you have a class 1, the class 1 battle will go first, and THEN, when your class 2 battles, the spectre fires.

If you don't have a class 1, and his class 1 attacks your class 2, the spectre will still fire, but in usual circumstances with all classes, it happens after the c1 battle.
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[Summer]

so it's better to leave the class 1 in a fleet with a spectre open and add Shield Generators ( I think) to it so they defend my spectre against class 1 and perhaps class 2 (don't know that sure?)


ok thank you

[Senor]

try this: 2sporators, some shield gens and a spectre.

[Summer]

[Senor]

ah yes...i meant 2 spectres...my bad

[Summer]

[colinthecorgi]

I have used 3 (not 2. Quiz: why not?) sporators, 2 spectre, _lots_ of shields and a sporogenator in attacks against multiple fleets.

This guy can eat himself through a whole base defense, killing all 1LP c1, until the enemy wises up and finds one or more of the good solutions (there is one combination solution that is better than the others IMO).
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[Rubens]

[Rubens]

[Summer]

[colinthecorgi]

Let me put it this way:

Of course you want to adapt to the battle situation, but getting two sporated 0/11 spectres with, say ~50shields and a genator, will cost you just over 1000MP. If you opponent wants to kill you in c2, to get the spectres, he will have to have a lot of destroyers, so he can kill your shields in one fleet battle, then kill your spectres (or genators and then specters) in another. If there is only 1 fleet battle, the odds for opponent to first kill all or all but one of your shields, before firing on a spectre (which will otherwise be shielded), are extremely small.
The point of not settling for only 1 sporator is that it might be killed by opps first shot. 2 might be killed by opps first shot also (bomber, interceptor...). 3 will not (in c1). I don't know about multi-EMP, but maybe one of those could stop 3 sporators at once?

If you are human you could get a couple of genators, then involve them in a c2 battle. Hey presto: 4 sporators....

But look out: these spectres are expensive creatures. Getting one killed means you have to get ~400 normal c1 to make it an even deal. Happily zipping in with your spectres only to discover the other guy has 10 apollos.....
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[Summer]

[colinthecorgi]

Yes
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[colinthecorgi]

But I also have good memories from such situations. The combo

4 sporators
2 spectres
1 sporogenator
lots of shields
c3 cover


Is a nice way of chewing through your opponents 1LP c1. A bunch of shields die if the opponent carries destroyers, troikas etc, but eagles are no problem (only 2 AP). So unless your opponent has large c2 in several fllets at the battle location, you will have little trouble surviving most of the time. If you look through the different ship-types in the manual, you will find some good counter-measures, besides apollos. I am talking about c1 countermeasures mostly
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