Witch-hunt

[Tofu]

We should be more careful with multi imputations!

The tfp-alliance is definetely very suspicious, because they have similar and not very creative names (solo, leia, wookie,...), but that is not enough. They also have similar online times (but only some of them!!!), but their explanation isn´t that farfetched.
I opened this topic, because some posts of the accused players attracted my attention.

yupyup:

[vikingnl]

Finaly somebody how sees beyond the first accusation. We may look suspicious (and believe me there are obvious signes that make us look like multies). But Let the admins decide about that. You have made the message clear and I am convinced that they are looking into it.

If the admins find me guilty I will leave the game. But I have nothing to fear. So lets play the game, like it was supposed to be, an await their decision.

[jellez]

very strange

[steven1982]

I think Tofu is right, i have been in one attack by them on a fellow alliance member, they came with 6 fleets and and totally lost

And they had simular incoming times with their fleets.

But however, that makes me question one thing.
If for example i would be a multi, how could i possible login with 2 accounts at the same time???? and how would i exactly start off the fleets of the 2 accounts simular, I ONLY HAVE 2 HANDS AND ONE PC!!

I know that i can open 2 windows with my browser offcourse, but i cannot send the fleets simular to the second, but they had 3 fleets coming in, with no more then a second diffirence between.

Therefor i find it more lickely that they are more persons working together, getting such a good coordination, in my former job i did the same with my collegue who was in the same alliance as me, we also always had same online times, and were able to do simular attacks (only due to tactics we didn't gave simular incoming time, but that's another story lol).
However, FTP behaviour is still a bit suspicious, but Admin allready took steps against most of them, so why would they make same mistake twice.

I am not sure, they could be multi's, but i am not sure.

Greets

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[ This Message was edited by: steven1982 on 2004-06-15 16:56 ]

[BladeTech]

well now that you guys say that, then we should be more careful of our suspicions. anyways, one thing to point out is that some of the them have left the game, suggesting that there is more than one player in the alliance. they still may be multies but it seems as though their circumstances have been well explained. anyways guys, if people wage wars against you b/c they think you are multies, then you will surely gain lots of fighting experience from the war eh?

[mjx1]

exacly morgorth its just 1 big whitch hunt (altough i can talk after the nazgul insident)

[Dutchbatter]

Multi's is a big problem in ST, that is right.

But tofu and steven has both a point.

So we can making war on the forum, but that has no sence.

If tfp is not a multi alliance (mabey they where, because step are already taken), why call them multi over and over.

If they are not multi and some players left ST because they don't like to be called a multi, than we ruining ST. So i think it is best to stop calling people multi and if we think someone is multi, report it by the admin.

To all multi's in ST, you all see we don't like multi's. Please keep the game clean and delete your multi account.

I stop now calling people multi and i hope all others will do that to. Because personally i don't like to be called multi too, if i am not a multi.

I trust tfp now, that they are not a multi at this moment. Probally they where (because the message of the admin "steps are already taken"), but this is history between them and the admin.

[BladeTech]

thatz right....i agree. we could be turning away potentially good players. and besides publicly denouncing anyone like that isn't really cool, especially without hard evidence

[Investigator]

Don't want to get into this discussion acutally, but I think you are like a traffic light. Going red going green, I would say stick to a well considered judgement. Second I want to add that "steps are already taken" message only displays if someone is (PRESENT) guilty.

[Aeleon]

I don't think the admins have taken steps against them. The investigators have found many of them guilty of being multis(this to me is hard evidence) and sent them warnings and I believe asked them to close some of thier accounts(the investigatos cannot close the accounts from what I have been told). This is what 'steps are being taken against this user' means. I had not been attacked by them before the multi war and not even now. I had engaged them at a couple of their bases, one in retal for attack on a Privateer, before the the multi war. I had no reason to have a vendetta on them. If I were to accuse players just because of conflicts I would have accused WoC, but they are not multis so I don't. If the investigators did not have enough evidence to convict so many of them we would not be having this discussion now, because I would not have called for action. I don't consider calling players multis as a light matter and would not do it if I did not believe it to be true.
@Steven1982: Yes you can open up several account windows and set your fleet coords in then go through and hit the modify button on each window to send at very close times. But I don't think this is what most of them do, because they seem to have minutes apart times which suggest that they log in on one account log out, then log in on the other.

This is not a witch hunt, it is a legitimate response to a legitimate problem. And if it is not dealt with, it will come back around and bite each of us in the ass.



[ This Message was edited by: Aeleon on 2004-06-16 02:55 ]

[steven1982]

[BladeTech]

well i didn't mean it to sound like that but i was just saying that these guys have denied all the "evidence" pretty soundly

[An offer you cant refuse]

Blade, all the evidence has not been presented.

The admin states that they are surely multis, or at least that they were at one point in time. There is no doubt that "steps are already taken" players were multis.

Also, several of them have deleted their accounts, presumably multi accounts.

[BladeTech]

oh i see. well that just means that SOME of them are multies for sure while the rest are in question right?