- The groups of Marut came in devine airwagons and Matali took me with him in his flying vessel and showed me other flying vessels (chapter 168:10-11)
him/her saying "airwagons" makes me think thay thay are being puled along my somthing. posibly a transport ship caring suplyes.
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- O thou, offspring off the Kuru's, the evil men came with the independant flying vessel that can move everywhere and is known as Saubhapura. (chapter 14:15-22)
"the independant flying vessel" gives me an idear of them moving by them selfs, with only one man on bored
but it also tells me that all other ships need help to get around, like a slig shot
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- The Gods apeared in their own flying vessels to witness the fight between Kripacarya and Arjuna. Even Indra, Lord of heavens, apeared with a extraordinary flying object and thirtythree devine creatures. (chapter 274)
now wars dont suprise me but its the fact that the gods
were watching makes me think that it posibly was a sport
were difrent races/tribes went to show of there teck/skills.
to other people. meaning that the area was slightly barbaric
posibly "Indra, Lord of heavens" was a hero ho nealy always won
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 5:35 pm Post subject:
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Gorth, plz, tell me that this is not the first chapter of the book, I'm gonna get really freaked out on "conspiracy-theories"
Guys... We have evidence of a planet, that in the past could sustain life; A piece of that planet that fell on Earth and contained life; A gigantic pyramid and a face on the surface of that planet... Yes, I'm speaking about Mars This is real, materialistic thing, it's not out there somewhere around Sirius or Orion...
Well, there was life on Mars /scientifically proven - analysis of the meteorite /, and, bacteria don't build pyramids /I suppose /... So, not only life, but intelligent life...
There is no doubt about it, I'm more curios as to what happened to them... Any idea where I can get some info on the subject?
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"Unity creates power"
Khan Kubrat to his 5 sons
A. That I with body and soul, both in life and death, am not my
own, but belong unto my faithful Savior Jesus Christ; who, with His
precious blood, has fully satisfied for all my sins, and delivered
me from all the power of the devil; and so preserves me that without
the will of my heavenly Father, not a hair can fall from my head;
yea, that all things must be subservient to my salvation, and
therefore, by His Holy Spirit, He also assures me of eternal life,
and makes me sincerely willing and ready, henceforth, to live unto
Him.
1. Minister. What is the chief end of human life?
Child. To know God.
2. Why do you say that?
Because He created us and placed us in this world to be glorified in us. And it is indeed right that our life, of which He Himself is the beginning, should be devoted to His glory.
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@Metody, i heard and read about that aswell, i think i have some documentation about that at home, but that won't help you much.
I think i knew a website or something, i will look it up for you.
I am not sure though if i can find it again.
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Ok, I have been trying to find these references in the Vana Parva and just have not been able to. Steven, you mention chapters and I try to match these to sections but do not find the material you site. This may be because they are arranged differently in different translations. Are you quoting direct from a translation of the Vana Parva or from another book offering examples for these claims? I have found a post suggesting that there are many web sites and books that claim the Vana Parva says these things but it actually does not. I am still looking through it but it is quit long and boring. I do like the concept of ancient extraterrestrial beings, but have not been convinced. Please tell me you are not relying on Von Daniken. At least you are not proselytizing and the concept is not as ridiculous as the mainstream western religion doctrine. You have got me looking these things up and that is always enjoyable. Steven, please site you sources.
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God exists for everyone who belive in IT. Therefore it is useless to argue about this. People eighter make it up for themselves or accept someones theory. I myself do not belive in presence of other organism in the sky however I do belive in sky. As for the hinduism- I think its a good example of invasive religion or if You wish- ASSIMILATION. Other race came and became a rich class. It does NOT care wether the lower classes are going to reborn as multimillionaires if they are living how thy have to. Upper classes are rich and they childern are if they wont marry lower class woman. And I think all this reborning stuff is load of crap however I do find all religious manuscripts and books most interesting as they are sighns of how people are convinced to become belivers etc. I also happen to read "Donald The Duck" sometimes and I am not beliver in this matter. So hinduism is one of the worse religions ever (IN MY OPINION keep that in mind- I do respect people who think otherwise!!!). Buddhism is much better version being also polytheistlic religion. And... Luo ... You from Balkan?? If you belive in all this `cough` stuff then... well I do not want to argue with you or anyone else in this matter, so please...
And Allmighty god was clearly sign of a polytheistlic spacetrace religion by being a multie and all. Admins should be more tolerant.
CURE all belivers and disbelivers for I belive in you
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The following quotes are from the Ramayana, an epic Sanskrit poem believed to be compiled from historical records by the ancient Hindu sage Valmiki. Notice that occasionally vimanas are said to look like a "bright cloud," and sometimes emit a "melodious sound" instead of the usual thunderous roar.
When morning dawned, Rama, taking the Celestial Car Puspaka had sent to him by Vivpishand, stood ready to depart. Self-propelled was that car. It was large and finely painted. It had two stories and many chambers with windows, and was draped with flags and banners. It gave forth a melodious sound as it coursed along its airy way.
The Puspaka Car, that resembles the sun and belongs to my brother, was brought [to Lanka] by the powerful Ravan; that aerial and excellent car, going everywhere at will, is ready for thee. That car, resembling a bright cloud in the sky, is in the city of Lanka.
"Do thou speedily bring the aerial car for me." Thereupon arrived the car, adorned all over with gold, having fine upper rooms, banners, and jewelled windows, and giving forth a melodious sound, having huge apartments and excellent seats.
Beholding the car coming by force of will Rama attained to an excess of astonishment. And the king got in, and the excellent car, at the command of Raghira, rose up into the higher atmosphere. And in that car, coursing at will, Rama greatly delighted.
After a short aerial journey in the Puspaka Car with Raghira at the helm, they land and Rama has a go at it.
Being then commanded by Rama, that excellent car, with a huge noise, rose up in the Welkin. And looking down on all sides, Rama spoke to Sita:
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The odds of our planet forming the way it did, with a perfect atmosphere, and a perfect cycle of life and diversity of animals, are extremely high. To say there is no supreme being that created us, that out of all the random chaos of the universe such a perfect refuge was created randomly would be almost like saying that the invention of computers, the internet, this game, and ultimately this forum was all a consequence of random, unguided action.
Who says this is a perfect refuge? The planet supports life, but not perfectly. There is nothing perfect about it. If it were perfect, life would not have had to evolve to be able to survive. Look at all the planets that don't support life. The odds are that with enough planets out there and the possibility of life existing somewhere, then it will happen.
A supreme being would not have to position the earth perfectly. He could just make it nice and perfect anywhere he wanted. There would be no need for other planets or an atmosphere or anything. The argument by design just does not hold water. If I find a watch on the beach I am smart enough to know someone must have made it. If I find a pebble, I don't assume it was made in Switzerland.
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the answer to the question "do you think god exist ?" must be "maybe" because:
thinking something exist or not exist is like: bulding a system of logical states which will proove the existence or the non-existence.
but it is clear that there can be no logical/mathematical prooven god evidence . so everyone who said "i think not" , "i think yes" is a liar (or was just not thinking about the question). the answer let's us no other way to answer than "maybe".
@ adamx17: our planet is not perfect, our planet is a biosphere with many ecosystems most of the ecosystems are not perfect i.e cannot go on for ever and in time even if man didn t ruin the ozone, cause global warming, and kill off many species, the world would eventually end with-out any extra terrestrial interfeerence(not alien life forms but meteors) we just help the end come quicker. as for the question on god i beleive he exists but i don t beleive in any religion cause christianity is corrupt,muslim is violent, jews are hipocrits and buddists worship every life form too much, hindu s have more than one god.
@Aeleon: It is true that animals evolve because they need to adapt to their "imperfect environments". However every different species has different needs so there could never be a perfect world for every specie. I believe that God implemented this fact into his design. When He created animals, He gave them the ability to adapt to their non-ideal environments.
Additionally, I'm not quite clear on what your saying in your second point. You said:
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He could just make it nice and perfect anywhere he wanted. There would be no need for other planets or an atmosphere or anything.
He did make earth right where He wanted it, about 93 million miles away from the Sun because it would create ideal conditions for the life He would make. How would you suggest that
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He could just make it nice and perfect anywhere he wanted
? Also, the universe is much, much more complex than a stupid watch. Through the delicate balance of all of the forces in the universe, humanity has survived for a million years. I think that if there is other life out there that it is unsophisticated or is wiped out quickly because of limiting factors in their environment. I find it extremely odd that our planet not only has life that it sophisticated enough to question its origin, but it has lasted for quite a long time as well.
so everyone who said "i think not" , "i think yes" is a liar
This is not necessarily true. A person can think whatever they want to think. They don't need to have evidence. For example, if you ask a young child if he believes in Santa Claus and he says, "yes" then is that child lying?
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 5:53 pm Post subject:
Hmm that is not really true, the earth does not ly in the perfect spot of "live developing" away from the sun, actually it lies quite at the edge of the region away from the sun in which livable planets can come to live. Also mars lies in this region, and the recent finding of water by nasa on mars makes us see that the earth is not so special after all. Actually, when calculating the possibility of live capable planets in our milky way only, you will find yourself coming out with enourmous numbers. The only thing with us not finding them (yet) is because we cannot see small (class m) planets yet with our recent technologie. But however they have found about 17 (i am not exactly sure about that number, but for correct info look on the nasa website) jupiter class gass giants, because they are large enough for us to spot because the stars they are lying next to are generating so much light for us to spot smaller planets (yet).
So actually earth is not a special planet at all, it has no ideal location and also the conditions are not really ideal. And if you think about in what conditions we have live on this planet (deserts, frozen poles, and even lava heated (almost boiling) pools contain live on our planet, so that makes you think about which conditions you need to have live, mostly you need is water, and on most planets you will find this....
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Absolutely untrue.
I suggest that you educate yourself before you make a desision. Dont just accept what you learn in school and in magazines.
You need to read different points of view, and research that has come to conclusions that differ from the mainstream's way of thinking.
Evolution is false, and the theory is collapsing. Research, study, and you will find that many top scientists are going against the theory of evolution. They are suppressed by the scientific community who does not want to be proven wrong.
Just the theory of spontaneous generation, where life came from nothing, is preposterous. In laboratories, in ideal conditions, scientists have been unable to create a single living cell. We can do much, but we cannot recreate what God has done.
And evolution, where random mutations have accounted for the great diversity on this planet, through natural selection, is a farce. There is no fossil evidence supporting evolution whatsoever. Also, scientists have caused mutations in animals and insects to study their effects. Not a single change was beneficial, all were detrimental. And the biggest sting of all, is that the first thing to go is the reproductive system, ensuring that mutated, defective creatures are unable to procreate, keeping the lines clear and free of harm.
You can fight me and argue all day long on this, but I have done my homework over the years, I have read many books on the subject and taken several biology, anthropology, and zoology courses back in college. I have heard both arguments. The loudest mouths against God are the ones who dont really take the time to learn, and are spoonfed their information from self-serving liars.
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Well for your information, i have read the entire bible and had a christian education all my live, so on that point i have knowledge enough, also i have taken several astronomy classes etc. And read the books about it also.
But as you say, i can fight you and probably never convince you, but that is not my intention, we are here to share opinions, and take the things out of it to change your own, or to stick to it....
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This is real, materialistic thing, it's not out there somewhere around Sirius or Orion...
/, and, bacteria don't build pyramids /I suppose 
and John Michell too, although he was spacier.
